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Short term ACC expansion thread re:MIAMI
Posted on 8/16/11 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 8/16/11 at 7:49 pm
Looks like there's a good chance Miami won't be in the ACC sooner or later, one way or another. Does the ACC replace them to stay at 12? With whom?
South Florida
Central Florida
East Carolina
Louisville
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Temple
Rutgers
Syracuse
Connecticut
That's everybody I'd think is at all conceivable. And I'd go with USF or Temple if I were in charge.
South Florida
Central Florida
East Carolina
Louisville
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Temple
Rutgers
Syracuse
Connecticut
That's everybody I'd think is at all conceivable. And I'd go with USF or Temple if I were in charge.
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Posted on 8/16/11 at 7:56 pm to xiv
I would pick either Syracuse or UConn so BC could have somebody nearby. I'm leaning toward Syracuse since the Carrier Dome can hold a ton of fans.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 7:57 pm to xiv
Pitt would be a nice grab. Good basketball program and gets them into Pennsylvania.
Cuse would be good too. As would Uconn, because having them means your conference gets a never-ending BJ from ESPN.
Cuse would be good too. As would Uconn, because having them means your conference gets a never-ending BJ from ESPN.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 7:58 pm to xiv
I would think that WVU is one of the better options. Good football and basketball programs.
ETA: Pitt would also be a good choice.
ETA: Pitt would also be a good choice.
This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:00 pm to xiv
LA Tech
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Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:01 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
USF and Temple would definitely accept. What about all those others?
Should the ACC go beyond 12?
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Connecticut
Rutgers/Temple/USF/Louisville/Cincinnati
Should the ACC go beyond 12?
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Connecticut
Rutgers/Temple/USF/Louisville/Cincinnati
This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:07 pm to xiv
I'd pull in Penn or USF
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:08 pm to bmy
The Quakers?
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:15 pm to xiv
Miami isn't going anywheres 
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:41 pm to Tigerbait337
Miami would just be on probation and would still count so the ACC can have their POS CG
Posted on 8/16/11 at 10:25 pm to xiv
The best overall program of the ones listed is Pitt, in terms of football history, market size, and basketball program considering that the sport is a major deal in the ACC.
Any other choice would either be due to market size or an attempt to expand into any place in the northeast outside of Boston, such as picking up one of the Florida schools, Temple, or Rutgers.
Any other choice would either be due to market size or an attempt to expand into any place in the northeast outside of Boston, such as picking up one of the Florida schools, Temple, or Rutgers.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 10:33 pm to Tigerbait337
quote:
Miami isn't going anywheres
I agree that Miami is likely staying in the ACC, but the fallout could be very complicated. There are going to be a lot of Miami administrators looking to cover their butts. In particular, Donna Shalala (the UM president) has never been enamoured with UM football.
I can see a scenario where the football program moves down to a lower division (possibly even without scholarships). Meanwhile, the other athletics programs stay in Division I. This accomplishes three things:
1) The administration gives the fleeting appearance of being in control.
2) Miami maintains their academic ties with ACC universities, which is very important to professors and the administration.
3) Other successful sports, such as baseball, are protected.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, though. I just have a feeling that the career trajectories of Miami administrators are going to win out over the protection of a program that may be permanently damaged.
This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 8/16/11 at 10:38 pm to teke184
quote:Definitely. I'd say that WVU has about 90% of what Pitt has, and if you're going to take one, you might as well try to take the other. That's a great rivalry, and taking WVU revives the WVU/VT rivalry, which is bitter as all hell.
The best overall program of the ones listed is Pitt, in terms of football history, market size, and basketball program considering that the sport is a major deal in the ACC.
I think it's going to be a tug-o-war between the Big East and ACC if it looks like we're entering an age of 16-team superconferences. One of 'em will have to go, or 16 of the 21 football schools in the two conferences will split off and form a new conference. That means that a few of the schools might have something to worry about.
Wake Forest
South Florida
(Miami)
Rutgers
Cincinnati
Louisville
Schools who are by no means in danger:
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Clemson
North Carolina
Duke
Virginia
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Posted on 8/16/11 at 10:40 pm to MikeyFL
quote:
I can see a scenario where the football program moves down to a lower division (possibly even without scholarships). Meanwhile, the other athletics programs stay in Division I. This accomplishes three things:
I think they could only go to FCS. D2 and D3 are for all sports.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 10:48 pm to BayouBengal
quote:
I can see a scenario where the football program moves down to a lower division (possibly even without scholarships). Meanwhile, the other athletics programs stay in Division I. This accomplishes three things:
Ah, you're right. It slipped my mind that the NCAA forced a bunch of universities, like Georgetown, out of Division III in the 90's.
Could be FCS, though...
Posted on 8/16/11 at 10:52 pm to MikeyFL
quote:
The best overall program of the ones listed is Pitt, in terms of football history, market size, and basketball program considering that the sport is a major deal in the ACC.
Also, Pitt's standing in the AAU (Association of American Universities) would be perceived as a major positive. UNC, Duke, Virginia, and Maryland, are real power brokers in the ACC, and there's a good bit of snobbery against "directional" schools like East Carolina and Central Florida.
For that reason, Rutgers might get an extra look as well.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 11:57 am to teke184
Pitt's football is no where even close to WVU, yea they were good 40 years ago but havnt done shite since. Their basketball is about even with WVU I'd even put WVU above them since huggs came to town. The Pittsburgh market is not dominated by Pitt at all its Penn State first then a split b/w Pitt and WVU. Pitt can't even fill that pro stadium the rent
Posted on 8/17/11 at 12:17 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I was surprised to find out that Pitt's winning percentage in the AP era ranks 58th among all Division 1-A teams. That's pretty atrocious, even worse than Syracuse or Rutgers.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 12:46 pm to Bench McElroy
Let Syracuse join the ACC. SU actually treats BC as a true rival.
Posted on 8/17/11 at 12:57 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:West Virginia has a modern-day edge, but it isn't so disparate as you seem to think.
Pitt's football is no where even close to WVU
Quarter Century Rankings:
School | 1869-1899 | -1924 | -1949 | -1974 | -1999 | -2009 | all time
WVU - 68 - 58 - 81 - 59 - 34 - 20 - 61
PITT - 81 - 9 - 14 - 41 - 21 - 39 - 18
And in the past 15 years, WVU has a 8-7 edge over Pitt. I guess you're talking only about fan support and athletic funding or something, because Pitt's actual football is right on par with WVU, and both schools's athletic departments are better off than the average current ACC school; either or both would be a beneficial addition to the ACC, all things considered.
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