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Somebody explain to me two things (baseball stats)
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:23 pm
1. why is no rbi given when a batter "BATS IN A RUN" whilst hitting into a double play.
2. why does a reach on error not help the on base percentage when a batter "REACHES BASE" on the error?
2. why does a reach on error not help the on base percentage when a batter "REACHES BASE" on the error?
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Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:27 pm to finallyfastohio
think about it, the answers to these questions are logical
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:28 pm to finallyfastohio
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1. why is no rbi given when a batter "BATS IN A RUN" whilst hitting into a double play.
it's a fielder's choice. theoretically, they could have "thrown out" the guy at home, though often they have no chance.
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2. why does a reach on error not help the on base percentage when a batter "REACHES BASE" on the error?
because it's of no credit to the hitter. he reached based solely because the fielder fricked up, not because of anything he did. (i'm just guessing here).
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:29 pm to finallyfastohio
My non baseball guess.
1) Comparable to fielder's choice. Fielder could have kept runner from scoring but chose the smart play of getting the two outs.his hit didn't bat the guy in, the fielder allowed the runner to score.
2)Comparable to 1. He wouldn't have reached base if there wasn't an error. He didn't earn the base, someone fricked up. The number doesn't have statistical vaidity(to how good the batter actually is) if you credit the batter with a fortuitous circumstance.
1) Comparable to fielder's choice. Fielder could have kept runner from scoring but chose the smart play of getting the two outs.his hit didn't bat the guy in, the fielder allowed the runner to score.
2)Comparable to 1. He wouldn't have reached base if there wasn't an error. He didn't earn the base, someone fricked up. The number doesn't have statistical vaidity(to how good the batter actually is) if you credit the batter with a fortuitous circumstance.
This post was edited on 7/28/11 at 12:20 am
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:30 pm to josh336
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think about it, the answers to these questions are logical
Apparently you don't know this guy
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:31 pm to OBUDan
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it's a fielder's choice. theoretically, they could have "thrown out" the guy at home, though often they have no chance.
i hear you. but if you were to explain to somebody how that runner got home you would say so and so hit a ball and he scored
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because it's of no credit to the hitter. he reached based solely because the fielder fricked up, not because of anything he did. (i'm just guessing here).
yea thats what i think they're going for. but doesn't a pitcher frick up on a walk or a hbp?
i just never understood these rules
This post was edited on 7/27/11 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 7/27/11 at 11:55 pm to finallyfastohio
If a pitcher fricks up on a walk or HBP thats on him, if a fielder fricks up on a batted ball, how is that on the batter?
Posted on 7/28/11 at 12:02 am to josh336
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If a pitcher fricks up on a walk or HBP thats on him, if a fielder fricks up on a batted ball, how is that on the batter?
so if a pitcher fricks up and cant throw a strike the batter gets on base credit. if a 2nd baseman fricks up and can't field a high chopper the batter doesn't get credit despite the same outcome
Posted on 7/28/11 at 12:11 am to finallyfastohio
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so if a pitcher fricks up and cant throw a strike the batter gets on base credit. if a 2nd baseman fricks up and can't field a high chopper the batter doesn't get credit despite the same outcome
The batter has an impact on one of those and no impact on the other.
This post was edited on 7/28/11 at 12:12 am
Posted on 7/28/11 at 7:51 am to shel311
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The batter has an impact on one of those and no impact on the other.
the batter impacts if the pitcher can throw a strike?
Posted on 7/28/11 at 7:55 am to finallyfastohio
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the batter impacts if the pitcher can throw a strike?
At any time he can swing.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 7:57 am to taylork37
Not to mention a walk can be attributed to a good at-bat, having a good eye, fouling off pitches. I really don't see how he doesn't get this.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 7:59 am to OBUDan
quote:you can still get an RBI on a fielder's choice if only 1 out is made.
it's a fielder's choice.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 8:04 am to Pilot Tiger
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you can still get an RBI on a fielder's choice if only 1 out is made.
right i don't know why that changes with a double play.
and if a guy constantly puts pressure on a defense with slow choppers and reaches on a lot of errors i don't know why he is punished for that
Posted on 7/28/11 at 8:20 am to finallyfastohio
The guy still gets credit for a run, even if he reaches base on an error or is driven in on an error.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 8:36 am to finallyfastohio
i understand your argument on 1. the guy atleast puts the ball in play, therefore contributing to the fielders choice.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 8:57 am to slutiger5
You don't get an RBI because you gave up 2 outs.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 8:59 am to finallyfastohio
The bigger question to me is why are we still praising RBI's and not actual Runs Scored?
We need a new stat called "Runs" =(RBIs + Runs Scored - Home Runs)
that is a more accurate account of the players worth IMO
P.S. You subtract HRs not to double dip on the RBI and run you get on a HR
We need a new stat called "Runs" =(RBIs + Runs Scored - Home Runs)
that is a more accurate account of the players worth IMO
P.S. You subtract HRs not to double dip on the RBI and run you get on a HR
Posted on 7/28/11 at 9:00 am to finallyfastohio
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i hear you. but if you were to explain to somebody how that runner got home you would say so and so hit a ball and he scored
no i wouldnt, because i dont speak like a girl who doesnt know sports when talking about baseball.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 9:13 am to bbap
If many old baseball stats were introduced today, there is no earthly way they would gain acceptance. Stats like batting average really make no logical sense when you break down the formula (like the concept of at bats versus plate appearances -- it's arbitrary as hell).
We use them because the stats have existed for 125 years. We calculate them this way because that's how the Spalding Guide did it. No other reason.
We use them because the stats have existed for 125 years. We calculate them this way because that's how the Spalding Guide did it. No other reason.
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