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People are putting way to much blame on the "Coaching" for baseball.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:10 am
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:10 am
There is no secret formula that some coach will bring in that will magicly make our hitters and pitchers better. Coaching does NOT matter that much like it does in football and to a lesser extent basketball. Players learn the majority of what they need to know when they are kids.
The fact is that we do NOT have that many talented hitters on our team and after the top few guys we have an avg pitching staff. If you want to fault the staff for anything, fault them for poor talent evaluation.
The main complaint I have with the CPM is that we give up to many free outs by bunting. We have 5 guys (MM, Nola, Hanover, Rhymes, Jones, Katz) who are any kind of threat to hit and we can't keep taking the bat out of their hands. The opposing team is happy to trade a base for an out.
The fact is that we do NOT have that many talented hitters on our team and after the top few guys we have an avg pitching staff. If you want to fault the staff for anything, fault them for poor talent evaluation.
The main complaint I have with the CPM is that we give up to many free outs by bunting. We have 5 guys (MM, Nola, Hanover, Rhymes, Jones, Katz) who are any kind of threat to hit and we can't keep taking the bat out of their hands. The opposing team is happy to trade a base for an out.
This post was edited on 4/14/11 at 10:13 am
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Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:13 am to STEVED00
Said this before... Between last year and this year LSU lost their top 3 hitters. The 5 pitchers who had the most innings pitched last year and 6 of the 7 pitchers who had the most starts from last years team are not with the team right now.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:17 am to STEVED00
I just think the majority of people are butthurt right now due to the way LSU started the season on fire.
Had they started out this way, people would be saying that they are too young right now, and the bats are killing everyone..... except for Mikie.
Had they started out this way, people would be saying that they are too young right now, and the bats are killing everyone..... except for Mikie.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:18 am to Noplacelikehome
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Said this before... Between last year and this year LSU lost their top 3 hitters. The 5 pitchers who had the most innings pitched last year and 6 of the 7 pitchers who had the most starts from last years team are not with the team right now.
My only complaint with CPM is that he gets too cute during games making moves (ie too much bunting with our few good hitters).
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:23 am to jembeurt
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butthurt
Tired, played-out phrase that needs to disappear.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:27 am to STEVED00
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My only complaint with CPM is that he gets too cute during games making moves (ie too much bunting with our few good hitters).
People would also complain to if he didn't do these things though. "Why didn't Mainieri have ______ bunt in that situation to advance the runner to second instead of risking a double play?" (can't you hear that as well from fans?)
It has been a lose-lose situation many times for Mainieri.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:32 am to STEVED00
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People are putting way to much blame on the "Coaching" for baseball.
Most people here never played baseball and are simpletons. To them, almost anything that goes wrong, including rough patches, are primarily because of coaching.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:47 am to STEVED00
I blame Alleva.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:49 am to STEVED00
good coaches can help with adjustments.... motivate and give confidence... detect patterns that give our players an advantage.
little things that can put us over the top and win some of these close games. Not saying PM is a bad coach, but i dont like his assistants, at all.
little things that can put us over the top and win some of these close games. Not saying PM is a bad coach, but i dont like his assistants, at all.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:50 am to STEVED00
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There is no secret formula that some coach will bring in that will magicly make our hitters and pitchers better. Coaching does NOT matter that much like it does in football and to a lesser extent basketball. Players learn the majority of what they need to know when they are kids.
The fact is that we do NOT have that many talented hitters on our team and after the top few guys we have an avg pitching staff. If you want to fault the staff for anything, fault them for poor talent evaluation.
Truth. Coaching means a lot of course, but I think less in baseball than in football. It's just an extraordinarily weak lineup for an LSU team. PM will fix it.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 10:51 am to Bubba Hotep
I agree there is not much for him to do but ride it out, I am afraid we just do not get the timely hits from the bottom of our order, the top of the order gets on base then the pitchers bear down because they know once they get to the bottom of our order they have some easy outs. Also our defense has been pretty bad as well i do not follow the team is immensely talented talk. apparently we are not.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 11:01 am to ninthward
fact is, we're young and inexperienced....you cant play baseball with rage and hate like football, you have to be smart, concise and think all the time, its a very physically and mentally draining sport...Coaching in baseball is difficult, lot of tendencies you have to look for, strategy, you have to find the tough kid, or the kid who is not afraid to play and fail, thats why im so adament about this same notion in football, guys that go out and compete and who are not afraid are generally more successful with less talent...
Look at Arkansas and A&M two schools who pride themselves on those principals, look where their coaches came from...Look at Bama, look where their coach came from....Fact is its a baseball coaching factory...oh yeah, and kentucky... all those coaches believe in the same things mentrioned above and they recruit those specific guys.
Look at Arkansas and A&M two schools who pride themselves on those principals, look where their coaches came from...Look at Bama, look where their coach came from....Fact is its a baseball coaching factory...oh yeah, and kentucky... all those coaches believe in the same things mentrioned above and they recruit those specific guys.
This post was edited on 4/14/11 at 11:07 am
Posted on 4/14/11 at 12:37 pm to STEVED00
In terms of individual skill and man-on-man performance, coaching matters much more in college baseball than it does in football or basketball.
As for the team aspect of coordinating schemes and getting players to work together and implement strategy on game days, yeah, football is obviously the most coaching-sensitive of the three sports.
As for the team aspect of coordinating schemes and getting players to work together and implement strategy on game days, yeah, football is obviously the most coaching-sensitive of the three sports.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 12:44 pm to Doc Fenton
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In terms of individual skill and man-on-man performance, coaching matters much more in college baseball than it does in football or basketball.
We definitely disagree here
Posted on 4/14/11 at 12:46 pm to STEVED00
That's strange. Do you agree that baseball is the most skill-focused (rather than talent-focused) of the three sports?
Posted on 4/14/11 at 12:56 pm to TigerFan55555
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principals
And for the old-timers in the crowd...
Posted on 4/14/11 at 12:57 pm to Doc Fenton
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Do you agree that baseball is the most skill-focused (rather than talent-focused) of the three sports?
I agree that it requires extremely good hand-eye coordination to go along with natural physical ability.
Repetition (practice) is key for baseball. Coaches I feel get too involved in trying to change how a player hits/pitches based on what the coach feels is the proper method. I believe that is a bad approach and counterproductive. There is no right way to hit or pitch and honestly I get frustrated when people feel the need to change a player's swing based on what they feel is right. My dad told me one time, "Thank God Ichiro didn't play in America bc every know-it-all HS coach in the nation would've forced him to change his swing"
Sure if a player has a major swing/pitching flaw, then you correct it; however, that is normally taken care of at a young age.
The main way a player improves is through repetition. Understanding situations, being able to pick up off speed pitches, understanding how to run the bases, etc... That is learned over the years that the player plays baseball and also some players are just more "aware" then others.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 1:06 pm to STEVED00
A good coach can also finds ways to motivate his players, correct mechanical problems and keep the players' confidence high. These boys wouldn't be here if they lacked talent. Baseball is a game where you fail more than you succeed (batting average 300 is good).Sometimes, it seems our coach places more focus on "who is to blame for the loss" rather than work to correct the issues. That is where the "blame" goes on the coach.
Posted on 4/14/11 at 1:12 pm to STEVED00
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Sure if a player has a major swing/pitching flaw, then you correct it; however, that is normally taken care of at a young age.
That just be ignant! If it was normally taken care of at an early age then what the frick do you have pitching and hitting coaches for..and why have minor leagues? That's why they call them pitching and hitting instructors...and not pitching and hitting watchers! And it's why players get better...they have someone to help them improve. We don't seem to have anybody improving IMHO
Posted on 4/14/11 at 1:21 pm to Politiceaux
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Most people here never played baseball and are simpletons. To them, almost anything that goes wrong, including rough patches, are primarily because of coaching.
This is the correct answer. Everything that goes wrong was a debacle. Very few understand that most tactical decisions change the odds of things going your way bery little. But with the benefit of hindsight they can criticize all of the 50/50 decisions that go wrong.
However that does not mean that there is no room for criticism. I do think the team is underperforming at the plate relative to the talent level (which I beleive isn't great to begin with).
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