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re: Cannon's run question...
Posted on 11/19/10 at 3:47 pm to Tigertrot
Posted on 11/19/10 at 3:47 pm to Tigertrot
What most are overlooking is not how fast Cannon was....yes, he was fast then and would be considered upper-end even today. The thing that was most different from then to now, is the broader range of speed among all the players.
What I mean by....broader range of speed. Comparing the range, those of Yesterday would be broader, hence wider, varying range of times.
The slowest then, would be considered very slow now, the fastest then, would still be pretty fast. A slow lineman today would be blazing against the linemen of yesterday. That would be the one biggest difference.
What I mean by....broader range of speed. Comparing the range, those of Yesterday would be broader, hence wider, varying range of times.
The slowest then, would be considered very slow now, the fastest then, would still be pretty fast. A slow lineman today would be blazing against the linemen of yesterday. That would be the one biggest difference.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 3:53 pm to Antonio Moss
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I'm sure he was awesome and fast as shite. I just have a tough time believing he was running near Olympic-like times. I can't find any actual times results on the internet.
He won the SEC in the 100 yard dash. Go to SECSports.com and look it up. No regular running back has done it since. I'm not sure any RB had done it before.
He could have competed in the Olympics in strength events, because he was that strong.
He was the closest thing in CFB to Bo Jackson before the actual Bo Jackson.
He made All-Pro as a RB very early in his career, then blew out his knees, got made TE, and made All-Pro at that position too.
People just see that he's white and from the 50's and make all kinds of assumptions about him, but nobody ever says those same things about Jesse Owens or Jim Brown or Muhammad Ali. Kinda weird, don't you think?
I get that the population of American youth is greater now than it was 50 years ago, but it's not THAT much greater. The best guy out of a million athletes 50 years ago is still going to be pretty damn good out of 2-3 million athletes today--unless human evolution has just been drastically condensed or something.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 4:13 pm to MetryTyger
Cannon ran south to north along the east sideline.As to how fast Billy was, nobody in college or high school ran him down from behind.During his era, he was the best.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 4:27 pm to aglandry
Cannon held the pro record for total yards in a game for over 30 yards. He was the number 1 pick in both the NFL and AFL - both of which were integrated. He was all pro at 2 positions playing in the same era as Jim Brown and Gale Sayers. And yet some wonder if he would have gotten a schollie today? Sheez.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 4:33 pm to Doc Fenton
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He could have competed in the Olympics in strength events, because he was that strong. He was the closest thing in CFB to Bo Jackson before the actual Bo Jackson.
Correct and a good analogy.
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People just see that he's white and from the 50's and make all kinds of assumptions about him, but nobody ever says those same things about Jesse Owens or Jim Brown or Muhammad Ali. Kinda weird, don't you think?
Exactly
Posted on 11/19/10 at 4:40 pm to 80sTiger
The real question is whether Cannon could have thrown a football over them mountains.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 4:52 pm to TulaneTigerFan
Doc, if I remember correctly – too lazy to look it up – Cannon’s back was a mess which is why he converted to tight-end. He is probably the only tight end that could not bend down to catch a pass at his knees when he made All-Pro.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 4:55 pm to Pietra
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He is probably the only tight end that could not bend down to catch a pass at his knees when he made All-Pro.
Probably so.
A little more to the story:
Cannon had an uncommon combination of brute strength with the speed of a sprinter. A track and field coach is reported to have remarked during his college career that he could have lost 15 pounds and won the Olympic gold in the 100 meter dash, or gained 15 pounds and won the Olympic gold in the shotput.
Billy Cannon is one of 20 players who played the entire ten years of the American Football League's existence. He is also one of 13 players to score 5 touchdowns in one game, and also holds the Oilers/Titans franchise record for most points (30) and most touchdowns (5) in a single game.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 4:59 pm to Antonio Moss
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bullshite.
Absolute and utter bullshite.
How exactly do you know? Were you there when he ran the 100s? Just asking?
Posted on 11/19/10 at 5:16 pm to P bean
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Two, Cannon's fastest 100 yard dash was a hand-timed 9.4. That converts to about a 10.37, electronically times 100m. While that's not setting the world on fire, it would be comparable to what most of our skill athletes would run. Also, Cannon carried some size and lots of strength with that speed - over 6' and he played at LSU at about 205 to 208 pounds
WRONG! 10.39 for 100m is FAST. PP is probably the only player on the roster over 200 lbs. capable of doing it. 4.4 in the 40 doesn't convert to 10.4 100m.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 5:31 pm to LSU82BILL
I was there in lafayette southwestern relays when Cannon ran 9.5 100 yard dash. The man ran this time on cender track, blocks he started with tore up cender.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 5:37 pm to Lsuman122
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How exactly do you know? Were you there when he ran the 100s? Just asking?
He already did. Read the thread
You too 80'sTiger
This post was edited on 11/19/10 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 11/19/10 at 6:26 pm to MetryTyger
I was there in the south upper deck directly above the visitor section near where the tunnel is. He got the ball in that corner of the field and ran north.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 6:55 pm to P bean
He didn't run a 10.39 by today's standards..more like a 10.6 due to the error associated with it being hand-timed.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 7:04 pm to Doc Fenton
not to mention he could whip your arse!
Posted on 11/19/10 at 7:27 pm to MetryTyger
I was there actually. It was my first game in Tiger Stadium. I was my first college football game. In fact it was the very first game I ever witnessed. I was barely eight years old. Honestly I do not recall which direction he was running. All I remember is how loud it was.If you look at the video of the replay you will see that Coach Vaught is shown and is he is on Cannon's right hand side. To my knowledge the visitors have always occupied the East Side of the field. So by deduction he was running South to North.
Go to Hell Ole Miss...G
Go to Hell Ole Miss...G
Posted on 11/19/10 at 7:35 pm to MetryTyger
I was there - I was sitting in the north end zone in line with the east hash marks.
He definitely ran south-->north.
He definitely ran south-->north.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 7:44 pm to P bean
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By all accounts Cannon was a track star
Cannon was the fastest shot-putter and the strongest sprinter in SEC history - maybe even the whole damn world.
Posted on 11/19/10 at 7:46 pm to ChineseBandit58
ive met 2 guys that were on the field for ole miss when he made the run (they both were starters on the defense). we were sitting at ernst cafe drinking a beer and their response about him was "that was the fastest white boy we had ever seen"
Posted on 11/19/10 at 7:48 pm to Deactived
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and their response about him was "that was the fastest white boy we had ever seen"
hmmm - they were all white in the 50s.
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(they both were starters on the defense
LSU was the only team to use a "defensive" team - in 58, players went both ways.
Dietzel initiated the team substitution system that year - only team in the country to do that.
This post was edited on 11/19/10 at 7:52 pm
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