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OFFICIAL BCS/ NATIONAL TITLE DISCUSSION

Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:05 pm
Posted by lsumatt
Austin
Member since Feb 2005
12812 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:05 pm
BCS STANDINGS

Well AU, TCU, and Oregon all looked poise to fall in the first quarter, but all pulled out wins. I'll assume nothing will come of the Cam Newton scandal and LSU has no chance of an SEC title. That still leaves open a very slight chance at a National Title...you DO NOT have to win your conference to play for a National Championship (and don't bring up UGA...they could have played, they just weren't as deserving as LSU in 07). LSU will have an amazing computer score at 11-1, maybe better than anyone in the nation (but AU) including undefeated Oregon. But they need LOTS of help. At the very least the 2 of the following 3 would absolutely have to happen:

1. Oregon loses
2. TCU loses
3. Auburn loses to Bama and SC

It is almost impossible for LSU to pass undefeated TCU and make it into the title game. Also, if Auburn finishes 12-1 by losing to SC that almost certainly stay above LSU. While 2 of the above 3 HAVE to happen, I am mostly of the opinion that at least 2 of the following 3 also need to happen.

1. Boise loses
2. The Big12 champ (NU/Ok State) loses again
3. Wisconsin loses

Now I can see LSU finishing above any or all of those teams if a National Title is not on the line. But when push comes to shove, voters would be very inclined to vote the Big12 or Big 10 champ (and certainly Boise) above LSU for the NC. Even if LSU beat out NU/Wisconsin, they would probably steal enough votes from LSU to give Boise the human poll cushion it needs.

LSU VERSUS TCU ARGUMENT

There has been some talk of LSU passing undefeated TCU and no matter how I crunch the numbers and come up with different scenarios it seems almost impossible. Putting aside any "Cam Newton effect", it is silly to think that more than a handful of voters would put LSU above TCU. LSU's best shot at passing TCU would be the following:

1. Auburn loses twice
2. Oregon and TCU win out
3. Boise, Wisconsin, the Big12 champ, and probably Stanford/Ohio State all lose

#3 is a necessity because all of those teams would steal votes from LSU. I think LSU would be #1 in the computers and TCU would be #3; then LSU would only need to be within one full spot of TCU in the human polls. That almost seems plausible but I think TCU would get as many 1st place votes as LSU gets 2nd place votes. And this is in the ludicrous scenario where Boise, Wisconsin, Big 12 champ, Ohio State, and Stanford all lose (and AU loses twice).

* If there aren't NT implications, it is more possible that LSU passes TCU

BCS BOWL POSSIBILITIES

At 11-1 LSU would seem like a lock to make a BCS bowl. In fact, they may finish top 4 of the BCS making them an "auto qualifier". But if 12-0 Auburn loses to SC, then South Carolina goes to the Sugar and Auburn almost definitely finishes above LSU in the final BCS. If Auburn finished #3 or #4 above LSU, they get the auto bid and the SEC can only have 2 teams...so LSU is left in the cold.

Assuming AU won the SEC, LSU would have an excellent chance at 10-2 and it seems almost definite the SEC gets 2 teams in. If Bama and Arky each lose, LSU would almost certainly get that spot; otherwise it would be a tough call and that would be up to the Bowls to decide who brings the best draw (probably Bama).

BCS Bowl Projections:

1. NC game: AU versus Oregon
2. Sugar: LSU* versus Ohio State
3. Rose: Wisconsin versus TCU
4. Orange: Va Tech versus Pitt
5. Fiesta: Nebraska versus Boise

*The Sugar doesn't have to take LSU and some believe that the Sugar hates taking LSU because they don't sell hotel rooms, etc. But I think their relationship with the SEC makes it likely.
Posted by LSU Fan SLU Grad
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2006
4893 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:07 pm to
Hopefully we don't play Ohio St. again. I'm tired of whooping their arse.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75362 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:08 pm to
LSU vs. TCU

Posted by pitbull20
Somewhere close... real close
Member since Oct 2003
7762 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:09 pm to
I just cannot understand how TCU's computer ranking can be so high with such a trash schedule. I know they put a ton of weight into being undefeated, maybe that is what needs to change.
Posted by PPBeastMode
Member since Sep 2010
2400 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

1. NC game: AU versus Oregon
2. Sugar: LSU* versus Ohio State
3. Rose: Wisconsin versus TCU
4. Orange: Va Tech versus Pitt
5. Fiesta: Nebraska versus Boise

LSU vs. OSU is the best game outside of the BCSCG IMO
Posted by Volt
Ascension Island, S Atlantic Ocean
Member since Nov 2009
2977 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:11 pm to
As always, good job and thanks.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge LA
Member since Sep 2006
36113 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:11 pm to
Pissible, but pollsters will see to it a non-SEC champ will not make it to the game
Posted by LSUVAFAN
Stephens City, VA
Member since Jan 2007
959 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:17 pm to
It ashame that neither TCU/Oregon/Boise State is really that good. They are all beatable. I think Auburn and Boise State have the best offensive team in the Nation. LSU has the best defense followed by TCU..

Playoff System would be great this year.
At least we have Oregon in the first game next year!
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
131569 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:23 pm to
Sagarin and the ELO-Chess would have you believe the SEC West is pretty damn stout.

Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17692 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:24 pm to
Don't you think Auburn would fall further than 4 in the polls if they lose to SC? Tennessee fell to the Citrus Bowl in 01 when we beat them.
Posted by Lil Br Tiga
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
2963 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:27 pm to
I have to respectfully disagree with your possibilites.

LSU will be closer to Boise and TCU this week. Boise St. is currently 0.0492 ahead of us. TCU is 0.1089. Both of these margins will be smaller this week if the trend from the Coaches poll is the same in the Harris Poll.

I said it last week and I will say it again. Last week TCU peaked in the BCS. It can only go down in both the computer and human polls. Boise St. is are main threat. Hopefully Nevada will take care of them but I don't see that happening.

You are going to see it all even out between LSU, Boise St. and TCU after we play Arkansas. If Auburn loses to Alabama we go to the BCSNG even if they beat South Carolina. You heard it here first.
Posted by 1p56
Thats da admin who banned my avatar
Member since Aug 2010
1751 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:49 pm to
If au loses to either bama or sc, they will NOT stay above lsu in the bcs.

Other than that, and the huge implications it has on your analysis, you got good info.
Posted by Puck82
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
23650 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:51 pm to
Title game is a long shot but it's all happened before with CLM. I would like one of the undefeated media darlings in the Sugar if Auburn wins out.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127589 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

But if 12-0 Auburn loses to SC, then South Carolina goes to the Sugar and Auburn almost definitely finishes above LSU in the final BCS. If Auburn finished #3 or #4 above LSU,




How do you know that Auburn wouldn't slide any further if they lose to SC?

Posted by Ford Frenzy
337 posts
Member since Aug 2010
6876 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:03 pm to
I know I'm being overly optimistic but...


Oregon can very well lose to Arizona or Oregon St.


the Big 12 Champ could also very easily be a 2 loss team as Nebraska and Ok St. both have tough games remaining, if either of them lose we simply need them to win the Big 12 Championship game which also isn't too much to ask, Okie St. will certainly be the underdogs when they go to Norman


Auburn losing to Bama is probably going to be likely since I'm assuming Bama will be a 3 pt favorite at home in that game


I really feel like we will all be at home watching football on December 4th just needing a South Carolina upset of Auburn and an Oregon St. home win against their rival....and possibly an Okie St. win over Nebraska
Posted by ryanoz
DFW
Member since Oct 2008
2735 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

ome believe that the Sugar hates taking LSU because they don't sell hotel rooms, etc


this is a false assumption. and why do you think LSU has no chance to pass TCU?
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8191 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

But if 12-0 Auburn loses to SC, then South Carolina goes to the Sugar and Auburn almost definitely finishes above LSU in the final BCS. If Auburn finished #3 or #4 above LSU, they get the auto bid and the SEC can only have 2 teams...so LSU is left in the cold.


lsumatt,

I agree with what you say here, technically, but based on the numbers, you think a #2 Auburn losing in the SECCG to possibly #15ish SC team would only drop them 1-2 spots?

I really think it would be close. Depending on how close LSU is to #3/4 going into the SECCG, it might not matter the outcome.
Posted by therocketscientist
too far away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2007
5010 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

2. Sugar: LSU* versus Ohio State


would bring an occasion to revisit the "SEC is Slow" signs at GAMEDAY in Columbus yesterday...
Posted by Bread Orgeron
Baw Bakery
Member since Aug 2006
11848 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:02 pm to
Matt is Wisconsin going to jump LSU for the 5 spot in the BCS today? Or will the top 5 remain the way it is?
Posted by Buckeye Fan 19
Member since Dec 2007
36168 posts
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

BCS Bowl Projections:

1. NC game: AU versus Oregon
2. Sugar: LSU* versus Ohio State
3. Rose: Wisconsin versus TCU
4. Orange: Va Tech versus Pitt
5. Fiesta: Nebraska versus Boise


Matt, I think the Orange would take either Stanford or a second Big Twelve team (Oklahoma State or Mizzou. Also Nebraska if they lose in the CCG) before Pitt. That would send Pitt to the Fiesta and knock Boise out.
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