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Views on investing in real estate vs other options

Posted on 11/10/10 at 7:46 am
Posted by cody54
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 7:46 am
Lets say I have some wooded acreage worth $1M, I do not have the means to develop it however I could sell it to a developer. I was thinking about selling and taking that money and buying 6-7 nicer starter homes with cash and renting them. Basically trying to turn a non income generating asset into an income generating asset; I would still own $1M worth of property but it would be generating cash. If I got say $1k rent on each of them that is 7k/month or 84K a year. I do not know much about rental property and was hoping that some of you could chime in and tell me what you think. Could anyone recommend any better ways to invest the money?
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
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13867 posts
Posted on 11/10/10 at 8:01 am to
I'd diversify. Maybe one rental house, the rest in stocks/bonds/cash. Maybe buy a smaller parcel of land for 100k and start a trailerpark, that way you won't have to worry about maintaining the houses, if you're dead set on a real estate investment.
Posted by cody54
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Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 8:07 am to
Im not really dead set on anything, just looking for advice. Reading a few books, Rich Dad Poor Dad etc. All I know is I do not want to work in chemical plants for the rest of my life making Turner Industries money
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 8:09 am to
Just don't go 'all in' regardless of what you do. Leave yourself some wiggle room in case you misjudged the rental market demand, cost of building, etc.
Posted by cody54
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 8:15 am to
Yea it will be a while before I can do anything. Was thinking if I got in the real estate business maybe one of the houses my company owned could be my house and I pay super cheap rent just to keep it legit. The company would own my vehicles etc. So all the expenses associated with the business could be tax write offs and I wouldn't have a house note or vehicle expenses. The company would have very little tax liability and I wouldnt have to make much money to pay my bills so my income taxes would be cheap as well. Am I thinking correctly, could this work?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 8:16 am to
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Could anyone recommend any better ways to invest the money?
Not if you're comfortable with your realestate value assessment and management capabilities.

Better ways to invest?
II may sound simplistic, but successful investment in anything is a matter of flexibility, preparation/knowledge, and expertise, either personal, advisory, or both. For every buyer thinking he's getting a good deal there's a seller who feels good about unloading the asset. Usually the one less expert and less prepared loses. Certainly would be the case with real estate.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 8:29 am to
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if I got in the real estate business maybe one of the houses my company owned could be my house and I pay super cheap rent just to keep it legit.
That will work only as long as you don't get audited by the IRS. Poodlebrain can elaborate on that.....
Posted by cody54
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Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 8:53 am to
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That will work only as long as you don't get audited by the IRS. Poodlebrain can elaborate on that.....

figured it couldn't be that simple..... paging Poodlebrain
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 9:04 am to
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Lets say I have some wooded acreage worth $1M


That would be a fairly large piece of property that could be logged then replanted in stages so that you have yearly or every other year income from the timber.

ETA: Could also keep it leased to hunters at $5/acre or more depending on how the deer hunting is there.
This post was edited on 11/10/10 at 9:06 am
Posted by cody54
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Member since Apr 2010
26 posts
Posted on 11/10/10 at 9:20 am to
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That would be a fairly large piece of property that could be logged then replanted in stages so that you have yearly or every other year income from the timber. ETA: Could also keep it leased to hunters at $5/acre or more depending on how the deer hunting is there.


Actually its only 28 acres. Appraised for 50K / acre a few yrs ago. Havent see deer in years but do have 7 turkeys living there
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 9:20 am to
There are problems associated with your proposal. If your company charges you less than market rate rent, then you will have implicit income for the difference that you would be at risk for. Also, the company could not deduct the loss from your rental unit under the related party rules. Your use of automobiles for personal use would be subject to scrutiny as well.

Those are some of the income tax issues. The more important issues are can you make it work from a cash flow perspective, and what are the legal risks associated with such an arrangement? If you are investing $1 million, do you plan on purchasing the rental units outright, in which case you will not have any mortgage payments, but you are at-risk of losing your entire investment in the event of a tort?
Posted by Newbomb Turk
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/10/10 at 9:36 am to
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If you are investing $1 million, do you plan on purchasing the rental units outright, in which case you will not have any mortgage payments, but you are at-risk of losing your entire investment in the event of a tort?


This may be avoided if he sets up each individual piece in its own LLC and makes certain that every lease is strictly with that LLC.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13867 posts
Posted on 11/10/10 at 9:41 am to
I'd cash out the million. Are you working at a plant right now? What do you want to do with your life as far as work is concerned? Use some of the money to go to college/trade school/start a business.
Posted by cody54
The L.P.
Member since Apr 2010
26 posts
Posted on 11/10/10 at 10:06 am to
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I'd cash out the million. Are you working at a plant right now? What do you want to do with your life as far as work is concerned? Use some of the money to go to college/trade school/start a business.

I'm 23, graduated LSU with Construction MGT degree in may. Currently working for Turner @ BASF. My dad died in June and as an only child I inherited his property. Currently my mother is in a nursing home due to multiple handicaps from west nile virus in 2003. Half of the land is still in her name and I can't do anything with it right now b/c medicare/medicaid has it tied up with her care. I wont be doing anything with it for a long time since my mom still has interest in it but I just want a way out of the chemical plants and a 40hr paycheck
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
10694 posts
Posted on 11/10/10 at 3:28 pm to
Unlike publicly traded securities real estate can be laborious to sale, especially rentals. You are young, I would be dead certain I wanted to live long term in the approximate area in which you would build/buy the units. That is one thing currently holding me back from putting more money into RE right now as residential properties can be bought here in the ATL market that are nice 3/2 properties close to employment hubs that would easily cash flow with a > 20% cushion over monthly costs with a very reasonable down payment. My friend bought one last week for $130k that sold for 215k three years ago and it is in a very good area. I have enough on my hands with a primary residence, 2 residential houses, 2 commercial property interests, and a residentially zoned lot. I could be living in another country five years from now for all I know, so no mo property.
Posted by Drop4Loss
Birds Eye Of Deaf Valley
Member since Oct 2007
3967 posts
Posted on 11/11/10 at 1:06 pm to
50 K an acre, for a 28 acre tract seems..............

Way high for LP..................
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