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the onside kick
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:04 am
i still cannot believe that two refs just stood there and watched the LSU receiver get wiped out before he had a chance to field the onside kick, then gave the loose ball to UNC.
im sorry, did I say "two refs"? i meant to say "three".
im sorry, did I say "two refs"? i meant to say "three".
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:07 am to MastrShake
Apparently it was the right call because the player was moving forward or something?? Uhh.
I don't know, still confused by this one.
I don't know, still confused by this one.

Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:07 am to MastrShake
plain and simple...they didn't know the rule, so they weren't looking for the infraction.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:08 am to MastrShake
quote:
i still cannot believe that two refs just stood there and watched the LSU receiver get wiped out before he had a chance to field the onside kick, then gave the loose ball to UNC.
Meh, I can.
But what I CAN'T believe is that the play was actually REVIEWED and they couldn't see in the replays that the ball didn't go 10 yards.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:08 am to MastrShake
I'm not sure of this since I don't have an NCAAFB rulebook, but since the kick was a bounce kick, then the contact is legal. If the ball had not touched the ground, then the contact would have been a foul.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:08 am to MastrShake
The replay of the game looked different than that picture to me.. The game replay showed that they hit pretty much simultaneously imo.. And when Refs went to replay booth they cant review it to see if it was a penalty but only to see who recovered ball
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:10 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Meh, I can.
But what I CAN'T believe is that the play was actually REVIEWED and they couldn't see in the replays that the ball didn't go 10 yards.
Doesnt matter if the ball touched a LSU player
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:10 am to MastrShake
Im pretty sure that it is legal... except for when it happens to LSU and costs us the ball.
Then it is punishable by death.

Then it is punishable by death.

Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:15 am to Nick Papa Georgio
ive heard that once the ball touches the ground, everything is fair game.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:17 am to Lsutim3
quote:
Doesnt matter if the ball touched a LSU player
He was hit before he touched the ball.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:17 am to MastrShake
They made up for it by the "no call" for interference on the last play of the game. Lets face it, they gave us that one as a make up call for their blunder on the on side kick.
Nevertheless, Les should have had the hand's team on the field.
Nevertheless, Les should have had the hand's team on the field.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:17 am to musick
quote:
ive heard that once the ball touches the ground, everything is fair game.
EVERY onside kick starts with the ball being kicked into the ground. still has to go 10 yards, still cant wipe out the receiver.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:18 am to MastrShake
From Les....
On how he interpreted the onside kick ruling...
"I talked to the head of officials in the SEC, Rogers Redding, and he said frankly you cannot block anyone in advance of the ball. Anybody that would contact somebody in advance of the ball has created a foul. It's irrespective of the 40-yard line. In other words, if (Alfred) Blue steps across the 40-yard line to make the reception on the kick, then he is protected because you still cannot block in advance of the ball, and you still cannot contact a guy until the ball has gone 10 yards, so we are in a position where we should be able to field the ball certainly until we get possession without interference. In review, the officials are given a responsibility not to apparently create flags and throw flags from a reviewed look, and I think that was really the position that was taken. They reviewed it, and they really could not overturn the call on the field."
On how he interpreted the onside kick ruling...
"I talked to the head of officials in the SEC, Rogers Redding, and he said frankly you cannot block anyone in advance of the ball. Anybody that would contact somebody in advance of the ball has created a foul. It's irrespective of the 40-yard line. In other words, if (Alfred) Blue steps across the 40-yard line to make the reception on the kick, then he is protected because you still cannot block in advance of the ball, and you still cannot contact a guy until the ball has gone 10 yards, so we are in a position where we should be able to field the ball certainly until we get possession without interference. In review, the officials are given a responsibility not to apparently create flags and throw flags from a reviewed look, and I think that was really the position that was taken. They reviewed it, and they really could not overturn the call on the field."
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:19 am to musick
quote:
ive heard that once the ball touches the ground, everything is fair game.
AFTER 10 yards.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:20 am to BTRDD
From Miles news conference yesterday:
On how he interpreted the onside kick ruling...
"I talked to the head of officials in the SEC, Rogers Redding, and he said frankly you cannot block anyone in advance of the ball. Anybody that would contact somebody in advance of the ball has created a foul. It's irrespective of the 40-yard line. In other words, if (Alfred) Blue steps across the 40-yard line to make the reception on the kick, then he is protected because you still cannot block in advance of the ball, and you still cannot contact a guy until the ball has gone 10 yards, so we are in a position where we should be able to field the ball certainly until we get possession without interference. In review, the officials are given a responsibility not to apparently create flags and throw flags from a reviewed look, and I think that was really the position that was taken. They reviewed it, and they really could not overturn the call on the field."
On if his explanation of the onside kick is the case, then why did they bother reviewing it...
"That's a good point. It really is. No one, certainly not I, said that we had the ball. It's not like they had to review possession. Maybe that's what the review was. Maybe they went back to review possession, and if that's the case, I think they came back with the right ruling on the field because they did have the ball. The issue became was he interfered with before the ball got there, and if they were not going to actually review that, that is a really good question."
On how he interpreted the onside kick ruling...
"I talked to the head of officials in the SEC, Rogers Redding, and he said frankly you cannot block anyone in advance of the ball. Anybody that would contact somebody in advance of the ball has created a foul. It's irrespective of the 40-yard line. In other words, if (Alfred) Blue steps across the 40-yard line to make the reception on the kick, then he is protected because you still cannot block in advance of the ball, and you still cannot contact a guy until the ball has gone 10 yards, so we are in a position where we should be able to field the ball certainly until we get possession without interference. In review, the officials are given a responsibility not to apparently create flags and throw flags from a reviewed look, and I think that was really the position that was taken. They reviewed it, and they really could not overturn the call on the field."
On if his explanation of the onside kick is the case, then why did they bother reviewing it...
"That's a good point. It really is. No one, certainly not I, said that we had the ball. It's not like they had to review possession. Maybe that's what the review was. Maybe they went back to review possession, and if that's the case, I think they came back with the right ruling on the field because they did have the ball. The issue became was he interfered with before the ball got there, and if they were not going to actually review that, that is a really good question."
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:21 am to Golfer
they didn't throw the flag. you CANNOT throw a flag after a review.
simple enough?
simple enough?
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:21 am to Golfer
At first i thought it should have been a penalty but if you watch the replays ABC showed after play I think it was right call... They hit simultaneously imo
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:21 am to MastrShake
Looked it up
Rule 6, Section 1, Article 2:
g. No Team A player may block an opponent until Team A is eligible to touch a free-kicked ball [S19]
Rule 6, Section 1, Article 2:
g. No Team A player may block an opponent until Team A is eligible to touch a free-kicked ball [S19]
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:22 am to TigerBait414
quote:
In review, the officials are given a responsibility not to apparently create flags and throw flags from a reviewed look, and I think that was really the position that was taken. They reviewed it, and they really could not overturn the call on the field."
Where is the apology from the league for blowing the call? Crickets! I would have more respect for refs if they would man up like the baseball ump and admit it was a bad call or in this case no call.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:23 am to tigerdup07
quote:
they didn't throw the flag. you CANNOT throw a flag after a review.
simple enough?
No shite. Still doesn't change the fact that the call was initially botched.
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