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re: What's your opinion on hold outs?
Posted on 8/2/10 at 1:30 pm to Baloo
Posted on 8/2/10 at 1:30 pm to Baloo
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Yeah, I'm sure Revis will find it real hard to find someone willing to pay him like the best cornerback in the NFL.
As long as he's not a free agent, he'll find it hard to get an offer from ANYONE.
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This is not some schmuck holding out, he's pretty much their defense.
Jeez, that sounds like something a teenage fantard would say.
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Posted on 8/2/10 at 2:47 pm to DBG
quote:I get that the amounts sound astronomical to you and me but again, it's not about the scale, it's about the principle. For every dollar these guys pocket, the make thousands, and sometimes millions for others by wrecking their own bodies over a career that averages less than 4 years.
by annoying i mean essentially saying 5M is not enough when most people will never see 5M
i totally understand your argument about getting paid market value and agree...just the fact that a person says that amount of money is enough kinda makes me cringe
Like I said, the amounts of money that we deal in as Americans could make people in Romania cringe but it's all relative.
This post was edited on 8/2/10 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 8/2/10 at 3:10 pm to arrakis
I think the Jets are gonna be in for a surprise this year. They aren't the contender they think they are. If they have any hope of making the Super Bowl, as they have stated is their goal, they will need their best player - Revis. This is clearly the time to renegotiate if you're Revis. The Jets have created the need to win right now, and they absolutely need Revis to do so (I don't think they can even with Revis - they were extremely fortunate last year to make the AFC title game).
If the Jets don't pay, they'll eventually trade the guy who is taking up a valuable roster spot. They can't carry Revis' rights all year because roster spots are sort of valuable. Revis really does have great negotiating position if he's willing to sit out a few real games. The Jets will start losing (because they aren't as good as they think they are), and they will either have to cave to Revis' demands or trade him to a team who will. Hence the whole line about how its a question of when.
You lack any sort of creative thinking if you can't see how Revis will get paid.
If the Jets don't pay, they'll eventually trade the guy who is taking up a valuable roster spot. They can't carry Revis' rights all year because roster spots are sort of valuable. Revis really does have great negotiating position if he's willing to sit out a few real games. The Jets will start losing (because they aren't as good as they think they are), and they will either have to cave to Revis' demands or trade him to a team who will. Hence the whole line about how its a question of when.
You lack any sort of creative thinking if you can't see how Revis will get paid.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:55 pm to Sophandros
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If you're under contract, practice and play while working on a new deal. If you're holding out because you're a lazy primadonna, then frick you.
right and when you're practicing and tear an ACL and the organization has you by the balls. It'd be one thing if the NFL guys got guaranteed deals but they don't.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 5:56 pm to Baloo
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If the Jets don't pay, they'll eventually trade the guy who is taking up a valuable roster spot. They can't carry Revis' rights all year because roster spots are sort of valuable. Revis really does have great negotiating position if he's willing to sit out a few real games. The Jets will start losing (because they aren't as good as they think they are), and they will either have to cave to Revis' demands or trade him to a team who will. Hence the whole line about how its a question of when.
so was Revis so good last year due to the Jet's pass rush, or were the Jets able to get after qbs because Revis was taking away an option at receiver?
Posted on 8/2/10 at 6:00 pm to DBG
i think if you signed a contract you should honor your contract..
i mean if you are below average you aren't crying about being over-paid for the good of the team.. your huge pay day will come, and if it doesn't.. you still were blessed to receive the money you did for being in the nfl.
i mean if you are below average you aren't crying about being over-paid for the good of the team.. your huge pay day will come, and if it doesn't.. you still were blessed to receive the money you did for being in the nfl.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 6:00 pm to beauchristopher
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i think if you signed a contract you should honor your contract..
does the same honoring of said contracts apply to owners as well?
Posted on 8/2/10 at 7:28 pm to beauchristopher
quote:If you're below average and the team deems you to be overpaid then your arse gets cut and you get nothing. Where's the outrage over the failure to honor contracts on that end?
i mean if you are below average you aren't crying about being over-paid for the good of the team.
This "honoring a contract" concept is hogwash one the "contract" is one-sided. It's bullshite propaganda circulated by greedy owners.
quote:Well this is so nice. If you go to law school or medical school and graduate at the top of your class and reach the pinnacle of your profession to the point where you're famous and are offered a huge salary in the millions for your services, talents, and achievements, and bound to a contract, then your employer tells you that you'll only be making $50,000 when you have a house note and a life planned around your promised salary, I wonder what you'll say when some high-school dropout fast food worker calls you greedy and says you should be "blessed" to be able to make 3-times his salary.
and if it doesn't.. you still were blessed to receive the money you did for being in the nfl.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 8:55 pm to Baloo
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The Jets harbor (unreasonably I think) Super Bowl aspirations.
Well when a team gets to the AFC Championship game with a rookie QB and didn't get in the playoffs the year before, of course they're going to have their sights set on a Super Bowl the following year.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 9:38 pm to Jamohn
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Jamohn
I totally agree with everything this guy said. The contracts are one sided. I would be fighting for every dollar I could get. Any player who doesnt, is selling himself and his family short.
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and if it doesn't.. you still were blessed to receive the money you did for being in the nfl.
Fantasy land.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 9:53 pm to Suck Out West
If it's the NBA or MLB, players should honor the contracts they sign since it's guaranteed, regardless of whether they get injured. Having said that, I don't have an issue with NFL players holding out. Chris Johnson could blow out his knee tomorrow and get cut without the Titans have to pay him a dime.
Posted on 8/2/10 at 9:56 pm to Geaux Big Red
I think it was Chris Landry who said the average length of an NFL career is about 4 years. That's only time for one big pay day. Or 2 if you're really good and last about a decade in the league.
Posted on 8/3/10 at 10:56 am to Suck Out West
quote:It's technically about 4 and a half years but that number is skewed by kickers and top stars: LINK
I think it was Chris Landry who said the average length of an NFL career is about 4 years. That's only time for one big pay day. Or 2 if you're really good and last about a decade in the league.
quote:I actually think that when dealing w/ something like career length that has a tier of star outliers that skew an average really badly, median career length would probably be a better statistical indicator. I'm guessing it would be a little shorter but I've never seen that number.
For the 2008 NFL season, 39 percent of the 2004 Combine players were still active. For 1,889 players listed on 32 NFL team rosters, the average longevity was 4.6 years, with only 7 percent of players having experience in the league beyond 10 years. Four of five players with the greatest longevity (>18 yr) were punters or kickers (the other, a rare quarterback).
Posted on 8/3/10 at 10:58 am to DBG
Their agents are dicks.
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