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re: Harry Potter Question: Deathly Hallows
Posted on 6/19/10 at 12:40 am to Volvagia
Posted on 6/19/10 at 12:40 am to Volvagia
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She could have done a better job of not dropping hints in the 6th book that he was a triple agent though.
well, if she dropped subtle hints, the movie just fricking spells it out for you, there is no mystery to it whatsoever (just watched it again so its fresh in my mind)
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I read Deathly Hallows in one sitting.
so did i (after picking it up at midnight)
ok, ive embarrassed myself enough for one night im out
This post was edited on 6/19/10 at 12:44 am
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Posted on 6/19/10 at 1:25 am to TigerBait1127
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the way they killed him was worse IMO. They just have harry there watching him die like a pussy which goes 100% against his character and who he is. Then they leave out the fight scene that goes throughout the castle. Harry gets destroyed by Snape (just like the book) but they leave out everyone else who took out on the way to him.
The worst part of that film to me was when Snape and Harry """faced off""" (and I use that term lightly for the film). In the novel it was probably the most intense moment in the series, while in the film it sucked, didn't make sense, and didn't matter at all to where they may as well have cut it. In the film it really doesn't make sense why Harry would call Snape a coward, while in the novel it makes perfect sense. Harry knows that Snape went to the Death Eaters because he was afraid and wanted power, while in the films Harry doesn't know this about Snape and should just assume he is an evil bastard. He also doesn't know that he turned in the prophesy, which means absolutely everything in this encounter, maybe even more so than Snape killing Dumbledore. Also in the novel their conversation is extremely intense and each line of dialog actually means something. Snape flips out and you can actually feel bad for both characters. In the movie, Snape doesn't give a flying frick about what Harry is saying to him and completely ignores him, aside from saying he is the HBP, even though it adds nothing to the film but adds alot to the vastly superior book. I would rant some more, but this scene alone proves that the HBP is nothing more than a pile of aborted fetuses.
Posted on 6/19/10 at 1:33 am to Roaad
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creature
Nope, Kreacher can not serve this purpose in the story, unless of course Yates wants to create a ridiculous number of plot holes (which that man really doesn't care about). First of all if Regulus knew there would be multiple Horcruxes, why wouldn't he tell multiple people that Voldemort had multiple Horcruxes. He knew he would probably have to sacrifice himself to get the locket, so why would he let the ultimate secret that would destroy Voldemort die with him. Secondly how is Regulus supposed to figure out that Voldemort got his Horcruxes from every house but Gryffindor. He's no particullarly well versed in Gryffindor lore to know that only 2 artifacts of Gryffindor exist. So Kreacher can't serve this purpose in the story without creating plot holes.
Posted on 6/19/10 at 1:41 am to OMLandshark
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Harry knows that Snape went to the Death Eaters because he was afraid and wanted power, while in the films Harry doesn't know this about Snape and should just assume he is an evil bastard. He also doesn't know that he turned in the prophesy, which means absolutely everything in this encounter, maybe even more so than Snape killing Dumbledore. Also in the novel their conversation is extremely intense and each line of dialog actually means something. Snape flips out and you can actually feel bad for both characters.
i agree. The end of the 6th book is the most meaningful part of the whole series. It was extremely well written and had pieces of all the previous books coming into play in 1 moment. Then the director decides that it wasn't good enough
Posted on 6/19/10 at 1:46 am to TigerBait1127
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i agree. The end of the 6th book is the most meaningful part of the whole series. It was extremely well written and had pieces of all the previous books coming into play in 1 moment. Then the director decides that it wasn't good enough
Agreed. frick Yates. If there is any moment in the series I have read where I had it pictured perfectly in my head (musical score and all) that absolutely fricked up an amazing scene its Yates.
This post was edited on 6/19/10 at 1:47 am
Posted on 6/19/10 at 2:15 am to OMLandshark
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Yates wants to create a ridiculous number of plot holes
I remember wondering during the 5th movie how the frick was he going to resolve the plot holes he was making with pointless alterations to the source material that served no purpose than than to be different.
I guess that is what happens when you stick with a 5th choice director....
Posted on 6/19/10 at 9:22 am to TigerBait1127
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they ruined the last movie. They add a fight scene that doesn't exist and then take out and change the most important even in the HP series
I know I need to read the books, but do you have a link?
Posted on 6/19/10 at 12:30 pm to seawolf06
I know I need to read the books, but do you have a link?
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The portion he is referring about them adding is the little thing that happened at the Burrow.
The part that he is talking about them changing is almost the entire ending sequence, starting from when Dumbledore lands on the top of one of the towers of Hogwarts.
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The portion he is referring about them adding is the little thing that happened at the Burrow.
The part that he is talking about them changing is almost the entire ending sequence, starting from when Dumbledore lands on the top of one of the towers of Hogwarts.
Posted on 6/19/10 at 1:54 pm to Volvagia
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I guess that is what happens when you stick with a 5th choice director....
i wish they could have gotten Alfonso Cuaron to just finish the series out. Its not like he has done a whole lot since Prisoner of Azkaban.
Posted on 6/19/10 at 2:37 pm to seawolf06
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I know I need to read the books, but do you have a link?
There was a pretty epic battle inside Hogwarts at the end of the sixth book. Harry is made to look weaker in the movie than he actually is. He blew away quite a few Death Eaters on his way out of the castle to catch up with Snape.
Posted on 6/19/10 at 2:42 pm to RollTide1987
not to mention them showing you during the whole movie how Draco was going to get the Death Eaters into the castle. In the book, not only do you not know that Malfoy is doing anything ( you have Harry and his suspicions, that no one will listen to or believe) you also dont know how they get in till Malfoy tells Dumbledore at the end.
Posted on 6/19/10 at 2:58 pm to RollTide1987
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Harry is made to look weaker in the movie than he actually is.
I blocked a lot of the stupidity of that ending, wasn't Harry just hiding out for the whole Dumbledore murder scene, or was he struggling under a paralyzing charm from Dumbledore like in the book?
Posted on 6/19/10 at 3:01 pm to Volvagia
he was hiding cause Dumbledore told him to, he stayed hiding when Snape walked by and put a finger to his mouth to tell him to be quiet
Posted on 6/19/10 at 3:01 pm to The Godfather
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not to mention them showing you during the whole movie how Draco was going to get the Death Eaters into the castle. In the book, not only do you not know that Malfoy is doing anything ( you have Harry and his suspicions, that no one will listen to or believe) you also dont know how they get in till Malfoy tells Dumbledore at the end.
Eh, that I don't mind much. I understand there needs to be some alterations in the conversion to film. The ending scenes would have gotten tedious if they explained everything in a speech laden sequence.
I just hate the senseless changes that don't really serve a time constraint/editing for flow purpose.
Posted on 6/19/10 at 3:02 pm to Volvagia
just hiding. Total nonsense.
Harry isn't the most powerful wizard in the world, nor is he in the conversation...but he's not this helpless guy that just blunders through everything like in the movies. He's a talented wizard for his age and shows himself especially adept in battle.
Its simple stuff like every time one ron/harry/hermione comes up with a solution to a various problem in the books it turns into hermione in the movie. Its just stupid.
Harry isn't the most powerful wizard in the world, nor is he in the conversation...but he's not this helpless guy that just blunders through everything like in the movies. He's a talented wizard for his age and shows himself especially adept in battle.
Its simple stuff like every time one ron/harry/hermione comes up with a solution to a various problem in the books it turns into hermione in the movie. Its just stupid.
Posted on 6/19/10 at 3:04 pm to Volvagia
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Eh, that I don't mind much. I understand there needs to be some alterations in the conversion to film. The ending scenes would have gotten tedious if they explained everything in a speech laden sequence.
then show him with it once or twice, not 4 or 5 , especially when you are cutting out all but 3 of the memories they view and other important parts
Posted on 6/19/10 at 8:57 pm to The Godfather
I wonder how much time in these movies they are going to give to dumbledore and his sister.
I hope they keep it at 2 scenes (the first being how his sister died and the second being him explaining everything to harry)
I hope they keep it at 2 scenes (the first being how his sister died and the second being him explaining everything to harry)
Posted on 6/21/10 at 10:15 am to WreckinRams05
It kills me to think just how much will be cut from the final movie that was an important part of the book. They completely left out a TON of important tidbits regarding Snape and Umbridge in OotP, like how Delores admits to planning the attack on Harry at the beginning of movie with the dementors and how Snape gave Umbridge "fake" legimacy potion so Harry couldn't give her info on Sirius' whereabouts (that starts gives us clues that Snape isn't the villian we think he was the whole time). I also hate that in OofP they left out the part about Kreacher lying about Sirius' whereabouts when Harry used the floo network to check if Sirius had gone to the ministry, then dumbledore explaining EVERYTHING to Harry at the end of the book. We missed so much backstory!
Finally, in HBP, we missed the whole meaning of Half Blood Pince because they never explain WHY Snape is a "half blood prince". These are details that will explain harry's actions regarding Snape (hopefully if it follows the book) at the end of the battle of hogwarts.
We'll see if they do the final movie justice, but so far, the movies have me mildly disappointed with the amount of critical things left out and ridiculous things added in as filler.
Finally, in HBP, we missed the whole meaning of Half Blood Pince because they never explain WHY Snape is a "half blood prince". These are details that will explain harry's actions regarding Snape (hopefully if it follows the book) at the end of the battle of hogwarts.
We'll see if they do the final movie justice, but so far, the movies have me mildly disappointed with the amount of critical things left out and ridiculous things added in as filler.
Posted on 6/21/10 at 10:22 am to Woff Mom
I just checked IMDB and missing characters for Parts 1 and 2 include Regulus Black (whose sole storyline is regarding one of the horcuxes!), Arianna Dumbledore (which I thought they would at least maybe flash back to Dumbledore's early family life, but maybe she just doesn't have a speaking role) and Phinneus Nigellus, whose painting is with them for majority of the storyline to assist them. To me, those characters played pretty darn important parts in the finale
Posted on 6/21/10 at 10:42 am to TigerBait1127
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Then they leave out the fight scene that goes throughout the castle.
This was moronic to me. Usually, movies add battle scenes to show more explosions. Why in the hell would a director leave out an epic battle scene like this, which could have been even better in film? It makes no sense, even from a Hollywood standpoint.
All I know is they better not skip over what a badass Neville becomes in the next movie. His conversion is my favorite part of the entire series.
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