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Oil flow is understated

Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:00 pm
Posted by LSU80 USF08
Orlando, FL
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:00 pm
by BP, because they pay royalties on all that flows, not just production pumping. Claim less - pay less. True, or not?
Posted by YatTigah
Lakeview, New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2010
517 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:06 pm to
if the Feds really do get involved in measuring the flow, they'll just extrapolate it back to 4/20 when the well sank so i don't see how it would make a difference in the end
Posted by lsugradman
Member since Sep 2003
8931 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:15 pm to
No.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:15 pm to
Pay royalties to who? They own the oil, it's their lease and they drill it and sell the oil.

No individuals get royalties or such.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89738 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:18 pm to
no

Oil companies only pay royalties off of meter run readouts

there is no meter run on this well
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17551 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:29 pm to
They pay royalties to the feds and the individual states they produce in. LA does not get its fair share FWIW.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:36 pm to


Big companies have less incentive to cheat than anyone else, there's too much to lose and they're watched a lot more.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:43 pm to
the water bottom beneath the GOM extended out beyond Louisiana territorial seas is owned by the US government, and therefore the government owns the oil beneath it as well.

the gov't is paid the royalty for this.

just because this well does not have a Lease Accounting Custody Transfer meter, does not mean you are exempt from royalties. you have to pay royalties on oil and gas produced as part of a well test, even though it is a temporary flow to a temporary facility, the gas is flared and the oil is shipped to the beach in a barge.

A little more: the gulf of mexico is divided in 3 mi x 3 mi blocks. these blocks are auctioned off periodically, w/ the high bidder receiving the right to explore and produce oil and gas. you have set timelimits on when activities must begin in order to maintain your rights to the lease; or else it reverts back to the pool to be auctioned again.
This post was edited on 5/21/10 at 2:48 pm
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
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89738 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:55 pm to
there is a ton of stupid in this thread

oil companies pay royalties off the oil produced from the well and then gauged and charted through a MMS certified METER RUN. There is no METER RUN on this well because it is an open hole spewing oil on the sea floor. bp will not pay royalties on this oil they will instead pay massive FINES. How does bp pay royalties on the oil when there is no feasible way to gauge how much they have produced?

you guys need to try to have a little common sense
Posted by el tigre
your heart
Member since Sep 2003
49712 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

Big companies have less incentive to cheat than anyone else, there's too much to lose and they're watched a lot more.



correct.

they are generally powerful to legally cheat on the front end with more favorable taxation laws and royalty %'s.
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27805 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

there is a ton of stupid in this thread
quote:

you guys need to try to have a little common sense


The posters that have migrated over to this board in the last few days are dropping the over all IQ of the board down to rant level.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89738 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:04 pm to
bp wishes all they had to pay were royalties
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

you guys need to try to have a little common sense


You could do the same also. I gaurantee you that this will cahnge everything. And IF the figure 1,000,000 barrels were spilled, BP will have to pay royalties of some sort. If you want to call it fines, go right fricking ahead. But the fines will be tabulated according to the size of the spill (how much oil lost) and will therefore be the royalty since the fine goes up with the size of the spill.

BP wishes it only had to pay the royalties on the oil, the fines are heavier!

So call it what you want, BP is paying heavy royalties on the spilled oil.

Why do you think every one of their projections was lower than the actual flow, except for one, the one that shows what teh are siphoning, they "accidently" overstated that one.

Shocker!
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

supatigah
quote:

oil companies pay royalties off the oil produced from the well and then gauged and charted through a MMS certified METER RUN. There is no METER RUN on this well because it is an open hole spewing oil on the sea floor. bp will not pay royalties on this oil they will instead pay massive FINES.


30 CFR 250.119 (c)states actual losses before metering will not be computed in the quantity for royalty collection IF the MMS decides the losses were UNAVOIDABLE.........

BP will pay royalties on the estimated spill volume.......they will pay penalty fines based on the findings of the investigations.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

therefore the government owns the oil beneath it as well.


They own the rights to explore - not as important a point offshore as onshore, but that is what the government owns and it leases that right to the oil companies.

BP can be sued by the US for lost royalties and production due to the blowout....I think - I know this is the case onshore.
Posted by CITWTT
baton rouge
Member since Sep 2005
31765 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 3:51 pm to
you are a f'ing idiot. Royalties are paid for oil that is produced and piped onshore into the marketplace. It is a measurable, quantified amount as it is guaged at the wellhead. Oil from this spill is flowing into the ocean, and the amount of it is only being ESTIMATED. BP et al will pay fines based upon their exposure to liability, which will be determined at a later date.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 4:04 pm to
You shouldn't be calling anyone an idiot.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8740 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

BP can be sued by the US for lost royalties and production due to the blowout....I think - I know this is the case onshore.


This actually happened in the Tuscaloosa trend in south Louisiana in the 70's. A landowner sued over lost income over gas lost in a blowout and was awarded a judgement.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60588 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

Big companies have less incentive to cheat than anyone else


there have been large companies caught screwing the public at record numbers. What the hell are you talking about?
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 5/21/10 at 4:45 pm to
LINK
quote:

The drilling lease with the Minerals Management Service for the Macondo well that blew up last month calls for BP to pay a royalty fee of 18.75 percent on the value of oil or natural gas “lost or wasted” if a leak is due to the company’s negligence.


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