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re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:10 am to TigerMyth36
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:10 am to TigerMyth36
Not a lostie but you haven't explained other things that point the other way.
He also clearly stated some of them died before Jack and after Jack died.
plothole, just like if they died in the crash why the hell are there people that weren't in the crash in the church, or Ben waiting outside.
ETA, I think the show clearly pointed to the island being real, and altverse was purgatory.
The other evidence that the Island was purgatory is slim, and reaching IMO
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Christian clearly stated Jack need to LET GO,
He also clearly stated some of them died before Jack and after Jack died.
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single PLAUSIBLE explanation for Aaron being a baby.
plothole, just like if they died in the crash why the hell are there people that weren't in the crash in the church, or Ben waiting outside.
ETA, I think the show clearly pointed to the island being real, and altverse was purgatory.
The other evidence that the Island was purgatory is slim, and reaching IMO
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 1:15 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:10 am to TigerMyth36
got this from another board:
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It seems like a lot of people are confused about the ending, I was not, assuming I am correct about it, here is an easy explanation.
Season 1 - They all crashed. All the characters we knew and loved the last 6 years DID NOT DIE HERE! I repeat, they did not die here.
Season 2 - Stuff happened
Season 3 - Stuff happened
Season 4 - Stuff happened
Season 5 - Stuff happened
Amongst this stuff, lots of people died!
Season 6 - Let's ignore the alt. universe.
More people died. At the end, the Hurley is the new Jacob, the new protector of the island. He may be there for thousands of years, but eventually he will die. Ben is his sidekick, the new Richard, he may be there for thousands of years, and eventually he will die. Desmond is with them, but Hurley will get him off the island, he is the new Jacob, he has powers. Eventually he will die.
Jack died (with Vincent, Matthew Fox's dog in real life, laying next to him, so ****ing sad). Kate, Claire, Sawyer, Lapidus, Miles, and Richard all flew off the island. Let's assume they lived happily ever after, but eventually, they all died too. Everyone dies! That's life for ya, death and taxes are the only two sure things.
Now this is where the opening of Season 6 starts, once everyone is dead. They are all in purgatory. It all begins in the plane because this is where the most important part of their lives began, where they met the most important people they would ever meet, Oceanic Flight 815.
Problem though is, they are dead but not at peace. They all can't move on. They all miss each other. There are too many stones yet unturned. Too many sins not atoned for.
Charlie tried to kill himself, but he couldn't die, he was already dead! When he saw this, he then had a flash of what meant most to him while he was alive . . . Claire. He opens the door for Desmond, and Desmond opened the door for everyone else. Every person had to realize what they all had been through, the giant adventure. They had to see all the sacrifices they made, all the things they did, the HELL they went through, and they had to see it together. Jack was just the last one to figure it out in the afterlife.
Ben couldn't move on just yet. Having Hurley give him a thumbs up and Locke forgiving him wasn't enough. He killed his dad, he killed his daughter, he killed all of Dharmaville! He wasn't ready yet, he needed to atone.
Everyone else though, they were sitting in the church, much like passengers in the plane, and the two most important people, Jack and Locke, were in the front row, on a flight to their ultimate peace.
That was the tv show LOST! It was an adventure about a group of people who were alone, they had no one, they were dubbed a tremendous responsibility, and they were all LOST. In the end, after they saved the world, after they made sacrifices, they were all together in the end, no longer alone, no longer LOST.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:10 am to tigerguy121
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Either view is has a plothole in the church scene, either the island is real and the babies are plotholes, or they all died in the crash and people not on the plane being in the church are plotholes too
or again its jacks perception.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:10 am to OMLandshark
I enjoyed the last episode. I started Lost 6 months ago and loved every second. Great ending imho.
Question that have prolly been answered
1 So Jack was in purgatory for 15 years before he decided he was ready? His son was 15 in alt world.
2 Selection of people at the church was weird, Sawyer left on the plane. He died after the Island?
3 Wonder what Richard thought of the new world?
Shark I would like your input. Ya know your shite when it comes to Lost. Thanks brudda.
Question that have prolly been answered
1 So Jack was in purgatory for 15 years before he decided he was ready? His son was 15 in alt world.
2 Selection of people at the church was weird, Sawyer left on the plane. He died after the Island?
3 Wonder what Richard thought of the new world?
Shark I would like your input. Ya know your shite when it comes to Lost. Thanks brudda.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:11 am to TigerMyth36
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Once again, I do not believe that is what happened but I think they stuck them there on purpose to get this exact debate raging similar to the fade to black sopranos.
I actually agree with this. But overall, I think it was a successful series finale. I'm totally satisfied with Lost.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:13 am to Chuck U Farley
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So Jack was in purgatory for 15 years before he decided he was ready? His son was 15 in alt world.
time had no meaning in purgatory, it's why Jack flashed last despite dieing before Hurley, Desmond Swayer, Kate, etc.
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2 Selection of people at the church was weird, Sawyer left on the plane. He died after the Island
see above, time=doesn't matter
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:13 am to TigerMyth36
Furthermore, you guys are basing the whole island being real based on Christian stating "most important time of your lives."
You are basing your understanding of the ending based on one phrase from Christian.
That could easily be explained. Purgatory could have more than one level and many people could be brought together to form purgatory which would explain non plane people at the end.
The island could simply have been one of the first stages of purgatory.
I am not saying this is what happened just tossing out an alternate explanation.
You are basing your understanding of the ending based on one phrase from Christian.
That could easily be explained. Purgatory could have more than one level and many people could be brought together to form purgatory which would explain non plane people at the end.
The island could simply have been one of the first stages of purgatory.
I am not saying this is what happened just tossing out an alternate explanation.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:14 am to LSU6262
Wow, sounds like closure to me. Im going with his explanation.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:14 am to TigerMyth36
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You guys haven't given me one single PLAUSIBLE explanation for Aaron being a baby.
are you kidding me?
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:15 am to tigerguy121
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He also clearly stated some of them died before Jack and after Jack died.
What does that have to do with Aaron still being a baby? If Claire needed to let things go, she would have left the fake Aaron baby just as jack left his fake son.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:16 am to tigerguy121
Thanks Tiger
Again great show, dont know if Ill find one I have enjoyed so much.
Again great show, dont know if Ill find one I have enjoyed so much.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:17 am to TigerMyth36
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What does that have to do with Aaron still being a baby
nothing, my point was that if they all died in the crash how did some die before and after Jack.
ETA much more logical he is refering to those that died earlier in the show, Charlie, asians, Sayaid, etc. and those that survived the Island and died after the show, Hurley, Ben, Kate, Swayer
If we are talking the minutes after the crash that is pretty specific thing to mention.
For someone who said you don't believe they died in the crash you are fighting pretty hard to say they did
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 1:20 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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look at the 6 religious symbols in the stained glass
I lol'ed at this.really writers , really? that scene was a bit jarring ...what were they trying to say with that? there is just one all encompassing god and afterlife ?
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:18 am to noonan
I miss lost already
im gonna watch it again before i figure out how i think it ended. to much for me to take in at once (TWSS)
When vincent laid next to jack ( even tho didnt really look like vincent that much) was a great scene
im gonna watch it again before i figure out how i think it ended. to much for me to take in at once (TWSS)
When vincent laid next to jack ( even tho didnt really look like vincent that much) was a great scene
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:19 am to tigerguy121
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For someone who said you don't believe they died in the crash you are fighting pretty hard to say they did
Not really I just enjoy debating the plot holes on shows.
Especially with some of the over the top lostiacs in these threads that state things like the are dogma.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:21 am to tigerguy121
I can't believe there's this much confusion over the shots of the wreckage at the end.
The screen had already gone black with the "Lost" logo. The episode was OVER.
The shots of the plane crash were merely a call back to how the show started. It had NOTHING to do with the episode itself.
The screen had already gone black with the "Lost" logo. The episode was OVER.
The shots of the plane crash were merely a call back to how the show started. It had NOTHING to do with the episode itself.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:21 am to Someone
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The shots of the plane crash were merely a call back to how the show started. It had NOTHING to do with the episode itself.
maybe, maybe not... who knows for sure
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:22 am to tigerguy121
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ETA much more logical he is refering to those that died earlier in the show, Charlie, asians, Sayaid, etc. and those that survived the Island and died after the show, Hurley, Ben, Kate, Swayer
If we are talking the minutes after the crash that is pretty specific thing to mention.
As I said above there could be multiple levels of purgatory. When you die in one level you move to the next, but the next level is timeless so friend and lovers can catch up.
Not saying that is what happened but it would explain Christians statements.
Just a nice alternative theory that would jibe with all statements and loopholes.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:24 am to TigerMyth36
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As I said above there could be multiple levels of purgatory. When you die in one level you move to the next, but the next level is timeless so friend and lovers can catch up.
Not saying that is what happened but it would explain Christians statements.
Just a nice alternative theory that would jibe with all statements and loopholes.
pretty deep thought to try and explain a baby in purgatory.
regardless of when they died why would arron be in purgatory as a baby, to me it is just a plothole
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 1:25 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:26 am to tigerguy121
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regardless of when they died why would arron be in purgatory as a baby, to me it is just a plothole
It's how the audience knows Aaron. Why introduce a new actor as Older Aaron that we get to see during the last minute of the show?
Please move on.
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