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re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:51 am to Decatur
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:51 am to Decatur
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What do you mean "fake" Aaron and "real" Aaron?
The baby she had in the sideways was fake. Just as jacks son was fake.
If Aaron at the church was real, he would not have been a baby.
She should not have had fake Aaron with her as Christian said you need to let go to move on. Holding a fake baby in your arms is not letting go.
Real Aaron would have left at his own time with his loved ones.
Thus the thinking it could be they died in the plane. He would still be a baby as he would have gone straight to the timeless waiting area.
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 1:54 am
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:51 am to TigerMyth36
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And as someone else said 30 pages ago, lives may have a context in purgatory.
I really don't get what you are talking about here. Me saying "30 pages ago" wasn't an a-hole statement by me, but I get the feeling you took it that way, but I could be reading you wrong.
But what did you think about the explanation even though its based on what Christian said?
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 1:53 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:52 am to TigerMyth36
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Haven't seen any reasoning for why there was no Jin/Sun baby.
dude I have posted it multiple times... Jin didn't even know his baby, the baby was very young when Sun went back. The baby was raised by someone other than J and S and if you're going by the created purgatory idea would probably be going with them. Also if you're going that it is Jack's perception of moving on then he has never even met J and S's baby so she wouldn't be there.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:54 am to TigerMyth36
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The baby she had in the sideways was fake.
Aaron was born on the Island. It really happened as opposed to Jack's son who was not born in the original timeline. How would the sideways Aaron be a fake if he was born on the Island and continued to live off of the Island?
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:54 am to St Augustine
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dude I have posted it multiple times... Jin didn't even know his baby, the baby was very young when Sun went back. The baby was raised by someone other than J and S and if you're going by the created purgatory idea would probably be going with them. Also if you're going that it is Jack's perception of moving on then he has never even met J and S's baby so she wouldn't be there.
Right and it goes with what I was saying about what Christian said, the time ON the island was the BEST part of their lives. Something only baby Aaron experienced and somthing Sun and Jin's didn't. However, I see Myth's issue on why Claire needed baby Aaron to be with her at that point plot wise and the fact Aaron lived on makes this Aaron seem "fake," but then adds credence to purgatory being Jack's perception of it.
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 1:55 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:55 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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On the island, Aaron was a baby, and Sun and Jin only got to be pregnant together. What happens after the island, when Claire is with a growing Aaron, is immaterial to what Christian is saying. Also, the baby Sun and Jin had wasn't a part of their island life really at all, since she was born off island and Jin never met her.
this, this right here is your explaination.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:56 am to Decatur
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What do you mean "fake" Aaron and "real" Aaron?
he doesnt know wtf he means. he is just spewing shite.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:56 am to TigerMyth36
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If Aaron at the church was real, he would not have been a baby.
So sideways Aaron (who was just born mind you) would have morphed into a 3 year old (or 30 old man for the matter) right in front of the audience's eyes. Because, in the words of MIB, that would be ridiculous.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:58 am to St Augustine
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Also if you're going that it is Jack's perception of moving on then he has never even met J and S's baby so she wouldn't be there.
exactly. but he is completely ignoring this side of the argument.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:59 am to noonan
Sorry if this was discussed already but how did Penny end up in the Church? She never died? Did she? And Hugo and Desmond?
Posted on 5/24/10 at 1:59 am to Decatur
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So sideways Aaron (who was just born mind you) would have morphed into a 3 year old (or 30 old man for the matter) right in front of the audience's eyes. Because, in the words of MIB, that would be ridiculous.
What he's saying is, if Aaron lived after the island, then he would be grown up in Purgatory and not stunted as an infant. Therefore, Claire is holding a fake Aaron and hasn't "let go" if she is doing so. This can be mostly explained by Christian saying that everyone's time on the island was the BEST part of their lives and THEY created this purgatory place for them to meet up as they were at THAT time. Sun and Jin's child never was a part of that and Aaron was a baby then. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that Aaron in that church is actual Aaron, since that would be kinda fricked up to force him to shite himself in purgatory when he actually became a grown arse man off island.
But it leads evidence to the purgatory being Jack's perception of it, and the best part of HIS life on the island, which Aaron was a baby. Either way, baby Aaron can be sufficiently explained under either theory, and so can Jin and Sun's lack of one IMO.This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 2:03 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:02 am to siliconvalleytiger
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Sorry if this was discussed already but how did Penny end up in the Church? She never died? Did she? And Hugo and Desmond?
like Christian said: all the people were real, some died before jack and some after...they all eventually died...just not on camera
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 2:03 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:03 am to Decatur
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So sideways Aaron (who was just born mind you) would have morphed into a 3 year old (or 30 old man for the matter) right in front of the audience's eyes. Because, in the words of MIB, that would be ridiculous.
She should have left the FAKE baby. Once again, when they realized what was going on, the regained their FULL PAST.
We just didn't see the FULL PAST.
When Jack finally had his revelation moment, he saw himself kissing Kate. That was the only time they Actually showed us that they had memories from the flashes that took place after the season started.
Once Claire regained her full memories she would have remembered her full life. She at that point would know that was not her Aaron.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:04 am to siliconvalleytiger
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Sorry if this was discussed already but how did Penny end up in the Church? She never died? Did she? And Hugo and Desmond?
They didn't die at the same time as Jack, but they will eventually die. Even though there is likely a large gap in between time of death, this "purgatory" is a timeless place and they have all gathered here to help Jack move on into the afterlife. That's my interpretation at least.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:04 am to Teddy Ruxpin
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What he's saying is, if Aaron lived after the island, then he would be grown up in Purgatory and not stunted as an infant.
All of that is really immaterial. It doesn't matter what they look like when they die or when their favorite time in life was. What matters is what they looked like in the flash-sideways.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:07 am to Decatur
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All of that is really immaterial. It doesn't matter what they look like when they die or when their favorite time in life was. What matters is what they looked like in the flash-sideways.
It matters if you believe that everyone in that church is a real person making personal decisions about moving on. Aaron grew up, became a man, and died (we assume). Even though my earlier explanation I think is good enough, it is a little weird that the others could "FORCE" Aaron to be an infant against his wishes if he is in fact the actual Aaron.
ETA: But, if you see this purgatory as Jack's perception of it, there is no issue at all.
This post was edited on 5/24/10 at 2:08 am
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:07 am to TigerMyth36
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Once Claire regained her full memories she would have remembered her full life. She at that point would know that was not her Aaron.
why do you continue to ignore the thought that what is seen in the church is Jack's perception
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:08 am to noonan
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exactly. but he is completely ignoring this side of the argument.
Really. It is time you take some reading comprehension lessons.
I have only about 10 times stated that I believe they were on the island and then went to purgatory but I could see because of some discrepancies why some people think otherwise.
Do yourself a favor and work on your comprehension skills.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:08 am to St Augustine
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why do you continue to ignore the thought that what is seen in the church is Jack's perception
Why do continue to assume anything you say somehow makes it fact?
Posted on 5/24/10 at 2:10 am to TigerMyth36
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Really. It is time you take some reading comprehension lessons.
you are ignoring the "jack's perception" theory.
dont talk to me about reading comprehension.
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