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Worst Case Scenario Plan.......
Posted on 5/15/10 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 5/15/10 at 7:55 pm
I work in the industry, but can't understand how a plan for a doomsday scenario was never mapped out. You would think that this would have been thought of before now. Even more bizarre when you think about it, it's one thing that BP didn't have a doomsday plan mapped out, but apparently none of the other majors/independents did either (or I assume they would have given BP a heads up on how to fix the problem).
Posted on 5/15/10 at 8:07 pm to SuperSaint
No doomsday depends on what kind of new regs the govement passes. Which could very well cause some doom.
Posted on 5/15/10 at 8:10 pm to SuperSaint
I would say this is a worst case scenario in regards to oil flowing freely......
Hopefully it isn't too bad........I worry about this as well.
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No doomsday depends on what kind of new regs the govement passes. Which could very well cause some doom.
Hopefully it isn't too bad........I worry about this as well.
This post was edited on 5/15/10 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 5/15/10 at 8:20 pm to TJG210
Yeah its baffling to many that a detailed plan for such an event was never in place. 25 days and its still gushing.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 12:50 am to TJG210
I have never worked offshore. So did anyone ever think this could happen? If it was never thought of as the doomsday event no one is ever going to plan for it. I mean in hindsight it looks really dumb obviously.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 1:10 am to Colonel Flagg
I second this.
They probabily never planned any "Worse case scenario".... relying on the Subsea BOP.
It's the old Hindsight 20/20 cliche.
This was a once in a 40 yr disaster type situation that is almost impossible to imagine in terms of planning for safety & back up plans IMHO.
They probabily never planned any "Worse case scenario".... relying on the Subsea BOP.
It's the old Hindsight 20/20 cliche.
This was a once in a 40 yr disaster type situation that is almost impossible to imagine in terms of planning for safety & back up plans IMHO.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 9:21 am to DaphneTigah
i would say that i was always aware that this could happen - in the same way that i am aware that a plane may crash every time i get on it, but i feel it is so remote that i'm not paralyzed w/ fear. however, i never thought i would see it. i thought that as an industry, we had reached a level of sophistication and reliability in our well designs, equipment design, equipment reliability, and experience that this would not happen -- specifically that it would not happen in the US GOM w/ a big operator like BP, and quality contractor like Transocean, and a state of the art rig like the Horizon.
The worst case scenario up until now has always been hitting the emergency disconnect button. and as an industry, this has been done successfully many, many times due to emergency situations ranging from fire to extreme weather (especially in the north sea). obviously, everything changes after this incident.
there's 2 separate issues that i'm sure the upcoming reg changes will address:
1) why did they take this enormous influx
2) why did the BOP's fail to shut in the well
until the final analysis is conducted, we really can't know how the regs will change.
one thing to keep in mind is that all the major operators in the gulf of mexico pay the Marine Spill Response Center a large, annual fee to stay on hot standby to deal w/ spills. i'm sure this event will change the entire spill response philosophy -- from the amount of equipment needed at the ready, to trying to better engineer a more permanent solutions to the top hat or containment dome ideas.
additionally, i could see a regulation where a plan for a relief well has to be submitted along w/ the permit to drill the exploration well.
The worst case scenario up until now has always been hitting the emergency disconnect button. and as an industry, this has been done successfully many, many times due to emergency situations ranging from fire to extreme weather (especially in the north sea). obviously, everything changes after this incident.
there's 2 separate issues that i'm sure the upcoming reg changes will address:
1) why did they take this enormous influx
2) why did the BOP's fail to shut in the well
until the final analysis is conducted, we really can't know how the regs will change.
one thing to keep in mind is that all the major operators in the gulf of mexico pay the Marine Spill Response Center a large, annual fee to stay on hot standby to deal w/ spills. i'm sure this event will change the entire spill response philosophy -- from the amount of equipment needed at the ready, to trying to better engineer a more permanent solutions to the top hat or containment dome ideas.
additionally, i could see a regulation where a plan for a relief well has to be submitted along w/ the permit to drill the exploration well.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 10:47 am to oilfieldtiger
Every oil company in America should be on this clean up process. Every possible resource should be helping not standing by watching BP.
They all have a stake in this.
They all have a stake in this.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 10:51 am to TJG210
This post was edited on 5/16/10 at 11:14 am
Posted on 5/16/10 at 12:02 pm to TJG210
TJG
as a person who was responsible for planning in my employment
you have to look at the specifics of a situation.
there is no one doomsday event. There are a nearly infinite number of doomsday events.
So, it becomes expedient to deal with some but not all scenarios.
You may create a matrix or grid, and consider the implications of many.
no one considers all possible outcomes to the degree that they have a 'plan' for all possible outcomes. There is no time or money for all that.
In any discipline, there become the usual and ordinary requirements, things you better take into account.
this mess was not created by weird unusual problems.
This mess was caused by ignoring readouts and silly blunders.
as a person who was responsible for planning in my employment
you have to look at the specifics of a situation.
there is no one doomsday event. There are a nearly infinite number of doomsday events.
So, it becomes expedient to deal with some but not all scenarios.
You may create a matrix or grid, and consider the implications of many.
no one considers all possible outcomes to the degree that they have a 'plan' for all possible outcomes. There is no time or money for all that.
In any discipline, there become the usual and ordinary requirements, things you better take into account.
this mess was not created by weird unusual problems.
This mess was caused by ignoring readouts and silly blunders.
This post was edited on 5/17/10 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 5/16/10 at 1:44 pm to ottothewise
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The Blow out preventer tests just before the accident
as far as i am aware, there were no failed BOP tests. the negative test executed prior to displacing to sea water is not a test of the BOP equipment, rather it is a test of the casing and abandonment plugs in the hole. it is intended to simulate what will happen when the BOP stack is removed and the well is exposed to the sea water hydrostatic. this test is done w/ a BOP stack component closed such that in the event it were to fail, the well is already isolated and you can begin executing the kill.
now, how they ended up w/ 0 psi on the kill line and 1400 psi on the drill pipe, i do not know. and until you know all of the fluids involved in the test and exactly where they were in the system -- all you can say is the test was "unacceptable". when the details i listed above are released, then you can determine exactly what kinds of loads were experienced by the casing, wellhead equipment, and abandonment plugs and you can fully deduce what happened -- something failed? test improperly executed? etc.
just saying "the negative test failed, so this happened" is an oversimplification.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 4:54 pm to oilfieldtiger
I wouldnt be surprised to see them make all the safety test be done with a third party.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 7:04 pm to dutchtowntiger100
quote:
Every oil company in America should be on this clean up process. Every possible resource should be helping not standing by watching BP.
It doesn't help Exxon's bottom line by sending people out to help. In the long-run it does, but it's all about immediate profits, frick the future.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 7:16 pm to oilfieldtiger
quote:
just saying "the negative test failed, so this happened" is an oversimplification.
this is no place for objectivity.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 7:18 pm to 70739tigah
quote:
Every oil company in America should be on this clean up process. Every possible resource should be helping not standing by watching BP.
It doesn't help Exxon's bottom line by sending people out to help. In the long-run it does, but it's all about immediate profits, frick the future.
In a way, a lot of the other majors are involved. Chevron, Shell, Pioneer (these are the ones that I know of personally) all have loaned BP some of their employees (mostly engineers for the relief well efforts as well as for the attempts at stopping the flow).
I know in my office (we've got another office closer to their command centers, so we haven't sent anyone there) some have taken phone calls and made phone calls to share ideas and experience.
A lot of people are involved in this process, both cleaning, and repairing the well/drilling new one.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 7:23 pm to TJG210
quote:
I work in the industry, but can't understand how a plan for a doomsday scenario was never mapped out. You would think that this would have been thought of before now. Even more bizarre when you think about it, it's one thing that BP didn't have a doomsday plan mapped out, but apparently none of the other majors/independents did either (or I assume they would have given BP a heads up on how to fix the problem).
Hubris.
Posted on 5/16/10 at 7:26 pm to SuperSaint
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So.... is this "doomsday"?
5000 bbls of crude/day spewing unchecked into the gulf everyday is pretty fricking close to a doomsday scenario for offshore drilling as you can get.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 11:38 am to cwill
A ton of new regs or a attempt at a gov takeover would be alot worse. Yes we need to put things in place once we know exactly what happened but you can bet they will use this to push an agenda.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 1:41 pm to GREENHEAD22
You can send a thank you card to BP.
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