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Bulking up the barrier islands

Posted on 5/10/10 at 7:59 am
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 5/10/10 at 7:59 am
Good luck. They should of started about 5 yrs ago if they think this is going to work.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80163 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 8:05 am to
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Good luck. They should of started about 5 yrs ago if they think this is going to work.



This is just a ploy for Bobby to get new barrier islands built without using tax payer money.

It's very smart, but I don't know if it is very realistic.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25822 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 8:07 am to
Every couple of years they pump 20+ million worth of sand on the barrier islands south of Terrebonne parish. This is just a band aide that washes away after the first storm. Fresh water diversion is the only lasting fix IMO.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29176 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 8:37 am to
Do you think it would work if they did it ala Middle East making up island style, where they would first put down a layer of rock, then cover that, and cover that with sand?

Obviously this wouldn't be feasible in the short term, but may be something to look at for a long term fix.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25822 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 8:48 am to
The rock would be key as we have nothing to keep the sand in place once they pump it on the beach. I don't think the middle east has to deal with hurricanes like we do here.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29176 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 8:54 am to
I don't think they do either, but from what I recall on watching one of the shows talking about the building of the islands they do get some strong storms over there (not sure if 140mph are associated with them or not). I've always wondered if it would be financially feasible for a private company to build some of these islands and develop them commercially off of our coast. Of course, it would a little more realistic if the state/feds would throw in some tax incentives to help make the numbers work. It could be a win/win on all fronts.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23222 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 9:03 am to
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Fresh water diversion is the only lasting fix IMO.


Nah.......a seriously constructed barrier island with jetty systems could create land and protect tidal surge also.......just cost more than the natural fix.........
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
13898 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 9:50 am to
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I've always wondered if it would be financially feasible for a private company to build some of these islands and develop them commercially off of our coast.
What would you develop commercially out there, and how would you market it? They would be on the front front lines of any incoming storms. Building new barrier islands out there would be great, but I don't see them being commercially feasible. Or if they were the insurance premiums would be huge.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29176 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:03 am to
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Or if they were the insurance premiums would be huge


This would obviously be the biggest hurdle, but the convenience and novelty would be worth it to some I'm sure. Go out there on a Friday afternoon, drink all night, and you don't have to make the 30-45 boat run in the morning to the beaches to get on the specks.

I wouldn't suggest putting them any further than places such as Grand Isle/Last Island......
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25822 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:25 am to
I have always thought that the old sulfur mine in Lake Pelto would make a great marina/hotel. It would just take an arse of money and you would have to be self insured on the structure.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:41 am to
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This is just a ploy for Bobby to get new barrier islands built without using tax payer money.

It's very smart, but I don't know if it is very realistic.


two issues with the reality check.

1. has BP said they are up for this?

2. what is the actual Jindal plan? any links?
What is the engineering intended?

Something ecologically sound?
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29176 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 10:56 am to
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Something ecologically sound?


This is why we can't get squat done in regards to rebuilding the wetlands, not saying plans shouldn't be eco friendly, but doing studies upon studies isn't helping anyone, and is just wasting state money.
Posted by tgrgrd00
Kenner, LA
Member since Jun 2004
10919 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 11:00 am to
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1. has BP said they are up for this?


I heard Jindal was presenting the plan to them today at a meeting. Hopefully we will hear something soon.

Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 11:02 am to
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I have always thought that the old sulfur mine in Lake Pelto would make a great marina/hotel. It would just take an arse of money and you would have to be self insured on the structure.


I agree. I use to work for Texaco 30 years ago in the marshes of South Louisiana. Texaco had work camps we live at set up all over the marshes. I often dream of having one those set up as a fishing adventure base. The locations were ideal for fishing.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25822 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 11:02 am to
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This is why we can't get squat done in regards to rebuilding the wetlands, not saying plans shouldn't be eco friendly, but doing studies upon studies isn't helping anyone, and is just wasting state money.


That is the biggest problem. I say we just line up old deck barges and ships end to end then sink them right off the beach and create an artificial reef/ break water. Waves will hit them and sand will back fill behind them. Might be an eye sore for some but I would trade that for bigger barrier islands and more fish habitat.
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 11:10 am to
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That is the biggest problem. I say we just line up old deck barges and ships end to end then sink them right off the beach and create an artificial reef/ break water. Waves will hit them and sand will back fill behind them. Might be an eye sore for some but I would trade that for bigger barrier islands and more fish habitat.


No one who cares would see them. The steel would be gone in ten years or so leaving an island that could be planted with vegitation indigenous to the area. Great idea especially in the chandeliers.
Posted by YatTigah
Lakeview, New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2010
517 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 11:29 am to
If this well can't be killed without a relief well and we see 30-90 days more of this, I can see this disaster being the impetus for some of the small fishing towns in lower Plaquemines especially getting bought out and the state opening the river levees.
Posted by Big L
Houston
Member since Sep 2005
5995 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 1:26 pm to
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I say we just line up old deck barges and ships end to end then sink them right off the beach and create an artificial reef/ break water. Waves will hit them and sand will back fill behind them. Might be an eye sore for some but I would trade that for bigger barrier islands and more fish habitat


I know they did this off the beaches of Elmer's island (between Grand Isle and Fouchon). I remember camping out there with my family out of our van parked on the beach. I think when I went back 6 or 7 years later the beach had eroded a good bit, or it just was smaller than I remembered it. anyway, have these barges stopped the beach erosion? rebuilt them? anybody know?
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
11038 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 8:24 pm to
you can't save the coast. unless they totally turn the miss river loose. and even then, the sediment being deposited probably isn't as good as when it was umpteen years ago.

not to mention the money part. The last restoration project in Plaq. Parish cost 26 million. the Bay Chaland project.
This post was edited on 5/10/10 at 8:25 pm
Posted by Uncs
Member since Aug 2008
3080 posts
Posted on 5/10/10 at 9:01 pm to
I have always said and believe this. Look at what they did in the country of Dubai. They dredged way off shore brought in the sediment and then dumped it and built the most expensive realestate in the region. Why can't we do that to protect our coast land? the sediment answer does not fit with my and the money answer does not agreee with me either! we don't need solid enough sediment to build houses just enough to protect. As far as the money. Its now a drop in the bucket considering all that have been effected. It would serve two purposes. Protect against future oil spills and hurricanes. Just my thoughts.
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