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Preseasons polls should not start till after Oct. 1.......

Posted on 1/22/10 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Bobby Moore
Red Hill, Mississippi
Member since Jun 2005
17751 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 4:35 pm
....Preseason polls will be abolished
sometime during the next decade. The Associated Press and coaches' polls finally get it right and decide to abolish their preseason polls. The first polls won't be released until Oct. 1.

thoughts?
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 4:36 pm to
+100
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
45416 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 4:39 pm to
can't see it. with more polls coming earlier and earlier (post-bowl, post-recruiting, post-spring ball, pre-fall, etc.) from all manner of sites and magazines, why would the AP or coaches miss out on the fun?
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
75693 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 4:39 pm to
If poll are going to continue to be such a huge part of determining who the NC is, then yes, they shouldn't come out until much later in the season
Posted by nola504
Member since Jan 2010
132 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 4:42 pm to
That might not happen since the rankings are such a big part of the networks advertising a game. #3 LSU playing #6 Virginia Tech in September sounds more appealing than just LSU playing VT to the average fan not tied to either school. College football is driven by the poll system. I don't expect it to go away. Thats why they do rankings in all of college sports even ones with playoffs. TV marketing.
Posted by chowell21
America
Member since Oct 2009
1480 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 4:45 pm to
I completely agree, unfortunately preseason polls make for real good tv ratings early in the year. It would be nice to have none though
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4078 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 4:46 pm to
There is no tangible evidence that preseason human polls are a problem. I'll even concede that delaying polls might lead to somewhat different results because of the natural resistance to changing a public stance. But that poll would not be wildly different. It's not like a team unranked in the 4th week after the preseason polls would suddenly be ranked #1 if you delayed polls. No, there would only be a change of only 1 or 2 positions, if any, for any specific team. Think about it. Voters are going to have to go through the exact same process regardless of whether it is public or not. I can't imagine significant differences resulting. And the idea that this slight difference could be identified as the determining factor after another 8-10 weeks of play is absurd. Enjoy preseason polls with a guiltless conscience.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
160468 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 4:47 pm to
then it wouldn't be a preseason poll bobby
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59024 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 4:56 pm to
What is the big deal,

The top 5 in this years preseason included: Florida, Texas, and Alabama?

Hard to argue that it was that far off.

Hell USC and Oklahoma eliminated themselves early on, so I guess I dont see why it matters one way or the other.
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16669 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 5:08 pm to
They should come out until all teams have played 6 games.
Posted by filmmaker45
Member since Mar 2008
14554 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 6:21 pm to
I sorta like this decision.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
61224 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 6:38 pm to
quote:

That might not happen since the rankings are such a big part of the networks advertising a game. #3 LSU playing #6 Virginia Tech in September sounds more appealing than just LSU playing VT to the average fan not tied to either school. College football is driven by the poll system. I don't expect it to go away. Thats why they do rankings in all of college sports even ones with playoffs. TV marketing.




I've been saying this for years. The "no preseason polls" crybabies don't understand this apparently. How is television supposed to market these September games without polls? But the main argument is that it just won't make any significant difference whatsoever. The voters will still have their own biases on Oct. 1 that they do on Sept. 1. And the voters have proven to be pretty fluid the last few years--ESPECIALLY early in the season. All this crying over preaseason polls is much ado about nothing.
Posted by Bobby Moore
Red Hill, Mississippi
Member since Jun 2005
17751 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 6:40 pm to
quote:

All this crying over preaseason polls is much ado about nothing.
and so is bashing Bush, Miles, Trent etc.....
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282189 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 6:43 pm to
Totally agree. I think they should not be taken until Oct 15th. Preseason polls, early season polls are worthless.
Posted by Pepe Lepew
Looney tuned .....
Member since Oct 2008
37083 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 6:45 pm to
hell that removes 99% of the rants....
Posted by Atari
Texas
Member since Dec 2009
3857 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 7:29 pm to
You could eliminate the AP and Coaches poll if you want to, but another would just take it's place.

Fox Sports would release their poll or ESPN would and then they'd use those rankings to hype the early season match-ups. Alright so "those won't count toward the final rankings", but they're still shaping public opinion and that's what the official polls are..opinion.

If you're looking to level the playing field go to a playoff, it's the only way.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59973 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 8:33 pm to
quote:

thoughts?


Completely meaningless.

You are kidding yourself if you think waiting until Oct would mean Cincinnati, TCU or Boise would have passed Bama or Texas. The Harris poll doesn't come out until Oct, it does not differ much from the other polls.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Santa Barbara
Member since Jan 2005
45622 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 8:39 pm to
quote:

Completely meaningless.

You are kidding yourself if you think waiting until Oct would mean Cincinnati, TCU or Boise would have passed Bama or Texas. The Harris poll doesn't come out until Oct, it does not differ much from the other polls.


100% agree, and I even have hard evidence that you're correct.

First Harris Poll top 10, released in Week 4
1 Florida
2 Texas
3 Bama
4 LSU
5 Boise State
6 Virginia Tech
7 USC
8 Ohio State
9 Oklahoma
10 Cincinnati
11 TCU

Coaches' Top 10 from the same week:
1 Florida
2 Texas
3 Alabama
4 LSU
5 Boise State
6 Va Tech
7 USC
8 Oklahoma
9 Ohio State
10 TCU
11 Cincinnati
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
42858 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 8:47 pm to
quote:

The Harris poll doesn't come out until Oct, it does not differ much from the other polls.


I've wondered what effect the Coaches & AP Polls have on the Harris voters over those 6 weeks.

Posted by The Easter Bunny
Santa Barbara
Member since Jan 2005
45622 posts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 8:54 pm to
The Harris voters just fall in line with what the other polls say. Even if the AP and Coaches waited you'd still have Athlon, Phil Steele, etc releasing polls all summer long
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