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What would it take for Miles to recover?
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:11 am
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:11 am
I know the talk of the week (and for weeks and years to come) will be about not only the last play call, but the entire last series vs. Ole Miss last week.
Two questions I pose to you all:
1. What would it take for the LSU fanbase to forgive Miles? I understand that this will plague him for a long time, but do you also take into consideration all of the wasted time outs for bad formations, etc that are burned early in each half because the team is not disciplined? Who should take the blame for those kinds of things?
2. If and once Miles leaves LSU (if ever, but hypothetically speaking), what will his stock be like? Sure, he has a national championship to his name, but will other prospective schools' decisions to consider Miles come back to his decisions in games like the Ole Miss game?
Two questions I pose to you all:
1. What would it take for the LSU fanbase to forgive Miles? I understand that this will plague him for a long time, but do you also take into consideration all of the wasted time outs for bad formations, etc that are burned early in each half because the team is not disciplined? Who should take the blame for those kinds of things?
2. If and once Miles leaves LSU (if ever, but hypothetically speaking), what will his stock be like? Sure, he has a national championship to his name, but will other prospective schools' decisions to consider Miles come back to his decisions in games like the Ole Miss game?
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Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:12 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
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Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:13 am to zed44
Since he is staying. A good start for redemption in my eyes would be for him to fire the OC. Maybe even the entire offensive staff with him also.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:14 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
1st thing would be for his team to come out and make a huge statement in Tiger Stadium on Sat. for senior day. They better dominate Ark. if he wants things to start to turn around. If he even struggles and looks bad again in a win, then things won't change. And with a loss.....well I'm sure most people can figure that one out. Good luck to him.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:19 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
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1. What would it take for the LSU fanbase to forgive Miles? I understand that this will plague him for a long time, but do you also take into consideration all of the wasted time outs for bad formations, etc that are burned early in each half because the team is not disciplined? Who should take the blame for those kinds of things?
It will take not only getting rid of a good portion of the offensive staff, but also competing heavily for an SEC championship next year. That is the only way everything goes away.
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2. If and once Miles leaves LSU (if ever, but hypothetically speaking), what will his stock be like? Sure, he has a national championship to his name, but will other prospective schools' decisions to consider Miles come back to his decisions in games like the Ole Miss game?
I don't think it looks bright. Some team will come calling for his recruiting ability but I guarantee it won't be a top notch university.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:20 am to LSU Tiger 216
A national title next year. If I am going to eat coal(the past two years), I better shite a diamond! JJ - Seriously though, we need to make a run at the title and beat either Bama or UF plus run the table against the SEC west. 11-1 and playing in the SEC title game with a berth in the national title game on the line will take the focus away from all of the "poor" decisions LM has made. It will really make the Tiger fans, including me, have short memories. I for one, though, have ZERO faith in this happening. Two losses a year MINIMUM are the norm. I just have gotten too used to average to expect better from LM. 
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:28 am to jimmy the leg
Hmmmmm...next year: win the west. This means we finish ahead of Bama- hugely important for the fans. This as a minimum will allow him to keep moving forward. IMO if we don't win the west next year, he is dismissed. Tough but true.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:29 am to LSU Tiger 216
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Since he is staying. A good start for redemption in my eyes would be for him to fire the OC. Maybe even the entire offensive staff with him also.
You may be correct in what you say; but do you truly think that L.M. can keep up with the rest of the SEC Teams and coaches going forward? The schedule will be very difficult next season in comparison to this one. Plus, does he exhibit the fighting spirit during games like the other coaches that he competes against week end and week out? Do you watch just the LSU sidelines or do you watch other teams and the fire in their coaches in quest for perfection every down and play from their squads? Do you notice that he can't get the officials attentions on a timely basis to make them realize that they are making mistakes against his team and those talentd LSU players? Watch the demeanor coming from the coaches in the SECCG, or do like me and boycot it; I've already have seen those teams coaches in action this past season. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi.
Are we ging to just sweep this mega-problem under the rug? The man is paid $4 Million a year, is he earning that with real "WANT"?
Good Luck to all of the LSU Football Tigers playing their last game in Tiger Stadium this coming Senior Night.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:35 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
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What would it take for Miles to recover?
IMO, he can't.
People weren't high on him to begin with. He had giant shoes to fill when he arrived, and for the most part, people were willing to give him a chance.
Whether people want to admit it or not, Saban was a legend here. He brought us a national title, and set us up to be a consistent national power. It's hard for any coach to come into a situation like the LSU job was, replacing someone like Nick Saban, and living up to fan expectations. Look anywhere.....Miami when Butch Davis left. Nebraska when Tom Osbourne left. Florida when Steve Spurrier left, etc...
We have seen LSU go from a national power, to a team that is consistently getting worse. The luster and "cool" factor of LSU is gone. The wall in Louisiana recruiting is slowly starting to crumble. It's just getting worse.
The damage is done, and he will never be able to get the fanbase behind him. IMO.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:37 am to TheBob
Win out all the way to an NC next year and we'll still have the same toothless retards claiming the man's a bad coach because of the Mississippi Meltdown.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:40 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
I don't want the game to be close, I want to BLOW OUT the piggies, but WHAT IF, what if, it came down to th same scenario as last game and Miles did everything right and even pulled out some other stops and sealed the victory. That would be nice for him.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:41 am to faxis
Dude, he was a bad coach before the Ole Miss game. That shite was just icing on the cake.
There's a better chance of me winning the fricking lotto twice than this happening.
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Win out all the way to an NC next year
There's a better chance of me winning the fricking lotto twice than this happening.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:41 am to TheBob
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Whether people want to admit it or not, Saban was a legend here. He brought us a national title, and set us up to be a consistent national power. It's hard for any coach to come into a situation like the LSU job was, replacing someone like Nick Saban, and living up to fan expectations. Look anywhere.....Miami when Butch Davis left. Nebraska when Tom Osbourne left. Florida when Steve Spurrier left, etc...
Good point, but look at Florida. After Spurrier, they got Ron Zook (who will shortly be out of the Illinois job soon also), but they eventually found Urban Meyer. The same scenario can happen here, so have faith.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 11:42 am to geaux4geauxldtigah
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Good point, but look at Florida. After Spurrier, they got Ron Zook (who will shortly be out of the Illinois job soon also), but they eventually found Urban Meyer. The same scenario can happen here, so have faith.
Exactly. Zook was never accepted at Florida regardless of how well he recruited. I think Miles is very much in the same boat here.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 12:19 pm to geaux4geauxldtigah
10 undefeated NC seasons and he is still and idiot. The man can't win at LSU no matter what he does. Very sad.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 12:43 pm to geaux4geauxldtigah
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1. What would it take for the LSU fanbase to forgive Miles? I understand that this will plague him for a long time, but do you also take into consideration all of the wasted time outs for bad formations, etc that are burned early in each half because the team is not disciplined? Who should take the blame for those kinds of things?
If Miles soundly beats Arkansas and wins the bowl game, he will regain some . . . at least some . . . of the fanbase. In the offseason, he needs to revamp the offensive staff and have solid recruiting class. Then, if we compete for the West, and certainly if we make it to the SECCG, I think he will be on solid footing with a solid portion of the fanbase and, most importantly, the biggest donors and the administration. 99% of the opinion on this board (and I truly don't mean it as an insult . . . it's just reality . . . doesn't matter).
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2. If and once Miles leaves LSU (if ever, but hypothetically speaking), what will his stock be like? Sure, he has a national championship to his name, but will other prospective schools' decisions to consider Miles come back to his decisions in games like the Ole Miss game?
If he leaves he will get another decent head coaching job. There are schools that will take a chance on him.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 12:53 pm to geaux4geauxldtigah
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What would it take for Miles to recover?
Nothing. Irreparable damage. Definitely only worth scrap value at this point.
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If and once Miles leaves LSU (if ever, but hypothetically speaking), what will his stock be like?
Not to be a homer here, but a program the level of LSU is a coaching graveyard. If you, as coach, don't initiate the move (e.g. Saban), this is as high as you can get. Succumb to the "peter principle" and burn out at LSU and you are done. Where is Mike Archer now? Where is Curly Hallman now? Where is Gerry Dinardo now? Notable exceptions: Arnsparger (own decision to become UF AD and f*ck us over on Spurrier) and Saban (own decision to go to the NFL).
My sincere advice to Miles? I would be working the phones hard to get a gig, even if lesser paying, at a perceived higher level. Maybe an OL coach in the NFL. Maybe a lateral move to Michigan. If Miles doesn't make the move, his career is done. Crash and burn.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 1:02 pm to Shaka Zulu
I'll even be happy without an SEC West Championship. I mean, Im realistic enough to know that the SEC is tough (tougher for use playing UF every year). The team needs to look dominant on both sides of the ball. We need to beat the cupcakes on our schedule by 50 points, and at least look like a good, well coached, team beating the weaker of our SEC opponents. None of this squeaking out wins against MSU, and losing to Ole Miss, and Arky. Its bullshite, and if he cant do that he's gone one way or another.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 1:05 pm to zed44
He could win back to back titles and this fanbase would still have people saying fire him. It is only a matter of time before LSU becomes one of those schools big names don't want to touch because even a national title and multiple 10 win seasons is not enough. He is 4-0 in bowl games, 1 national title game and 2 of those were BCS bowl games. He has had 3 seasons where he won atleast 11 games and still has a shot to win 10 games after Arkansas and a bowl victory.
People talk about Saban though who was 3-2 in bowl games at LSU. Had only 2 seasons with 10 or more wins. He had a national title and 2 BCS bowl wins as well. However when he left he only had 9 wins and a Capital One Bowl loss to Iowa. As he sits at Bama he is 1-1 in bowl games overall his record is 4-6 when it comes to bowl games. Miles is 5-2. I don't care what mistakes he made last week, he gets wins even if they are close games they are still wins. Our fanbase just thinks it deserves more but I don't think there is much better in the past 5 years. If we are talking BCS conferences probably Meyer. Carroll is bad at preparing teams because is well known for losing to the unranked opponents.
People talk about Saban though who was 3-2 in bowl games at LSU. Had only 2 seasons with 10 or more wins. He had a national title and 2 BCS bowl wins as well. However when he left he only had 9 wins and a Capital One Bowl loss to Iowa. As he sits at Bama he is 1-1 in bowl games overall his record is 4-6 when it comes to bowl games. Miles is 5-2. I don't care what mistakes he made last week, he gets wins even if they are close games they are still wins. Our fanbase just thinks it deserves more but I don't think there is much better in the past 5 years. If we are talking BCS conferences probably Meyer. Carroll is bad at preparing teams because is well known for losing to the unranked opponents.
Posted on 11/26/09 at 1:08 pm to SeattleTiger19
Miles will not recover. His philosophy, which is ingrained in his very being, is what got him into this mess. He will not change his philosophy.
Why won't he change? Miles is convinced that his philosophy won the 2007 NC. He fails to recognize the boat load of talent that was left to him and the horse shoe that was around his neck that season.
Why won't he change? Miles is convinced that his philosophy won the 2007 NC. He fails to recognize the boat load of talent that was left to him and the horse shoe that was around his neck that season.
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