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re: JJ 2009 vs Flynn 2007 - who do you pick?

Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:36 am to
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:36 am to
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Meerkat style getting off half the plays he did in 2007


Flynn knew the plays better. He could run the offense. There wold be no need for the constant meerkatting. You seem to have selective memory as well. 2007 was LSU's most potent offensive year in history. That can happen when your QB runs the offense well.
Posted by Jason9782003
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:36 am to
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flynn's play against Arky and UK directly led to our losses


I think the 513 total yards we gave up to Arkansas had a lot more to do with the loss.
Flynn was 22 of 47 with 3 TDs and 0 INT's

Against Kentucky LSU gave up 375 total yards. Flynn was 17 of 35 for 130 yards and 1 TD and 1 INT....not great but this is similar numbers for JJ
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
62426 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:36 am to
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SlowFlowPro


I would love to say that this flame attempt is beneath you, but it's really not.

For those that can't figure it out, Slowflowpro is so bent out of shape that people used to argue for Matt Flynn over Jamarcus Russell and he will never get over it. Even when Jamarcus finally showed in 2006 that he was the better QB, he can't let it go.

This Flynn vs. Jefferson argument is just another way for Sloflo to downgrade Matt Flynn, and has nothing to do with his liking of Jordan Jefferson.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:36 am to
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Flynn couldn't have beat Ark in 2007 unless he could play on the D line.

if we convert our early opportunies and get 2-3 TDs that arky gift-wrapped, we win that game running away

flynn had 209 yards on FORTY SEVEN attempts against arky
Posted by dogman67
Buna, Texas
Member since Jun 2009
102 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:37 am to
yeah, he had a bad game, but at some point the Defense should be called out for allowing 43 points to KY.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:37 am to
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But LSU's overall stats were way better.

we had a running game in 2007
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:37 am to
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Flynn knew the plays better. He could run the offense. There wold be no need for the constant meerkatting.

meerkating is just another wrinkle crowton wanted to add this year. it's common with spread teams
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:38 am to
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2009- LSU played 3 ranked teams

2007- LSU played 6 ranked teams, 8 if you count the SECCG and NC.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
78134 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:38 am to
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but at some point the Defense should be called out for allowing 43 points to KY

While the defense did become very mediocred towards the end of that season, it should be noted they only gave up 27 in regulation in both that and the Arky game
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:38 am to
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Flynn was 22 of 47

sub-50%

FOR TWO HUNDRED AND NINE YARDS

47 throws, 209 yards

quote:

Flynn was 17 of 35 for 130 yards and 1 TD and 1 INT....not great but this is similar numbers for JJ

50% competion rate for 5 ypa and 1:1 TD:INT is not JJ numbers
Posted by Bert Lyons 716
Member since Jan 2006
1528 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:38 am to
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theunknownknight




what is so funny? Did MF play every down as QB? Did RP not contribute and make plays at key times?

People have selective memory about MF. He was good...not great. Don't laugh because I think that JJ would have flourished more in that environment than the current environment.

Again...try to imagine MF playing behind our O-line, no RP to back him up, Meerkat style getting off half the plays he did in 2007. How would his numbers look then?

LSU has too many 3 and outs due to delay of game penalties because JJ can't read defenses or check into the right defense.
LSU has had more black QBs start than any team in SEC last 15 yrs. Tyler,Davey,Randle,Russell,and JJ.
JJ needs to improve his grasp of the game and his throwing motion. His long stride makes him 6' instead of 6'5."
Posted by Titan
Member since Apr 2008
2471 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:40 am to
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LSU has too many 3 and outs due to delay of game penalties because JJ can't read defenses or check into the right defense.


this
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:41 am to
Jake none of these people are going to put any actual thought into this. Most of these idiots still think that Flynn was better than Jamarcus "because he won a ship". You do have an interesting point though, and it's something I hadn't really considered until now.

I also like how the validity of my joke was attacked, yet I've seen multiple people in this thread claiming how much more intelligent Flynn was. I wonder how they came to that conclusion. Hmmm
Posted by Bert Lyons 716
Member since Jan 2006
1528 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:41 am to
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While the defense did become very mediocred towards the end of that season, it should be noted they only gave up 27 in regulation in both that and the Arky game

Arky had weak passing game and UK was weak period. Offense scored enough to win.
When your team scored 27,did your coach feel that was enough to win?
Posted by zack7552
Lawton, OK
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:41 am to
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Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
62426 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:42 am to
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if we convert our early opportunies and get 2-3 TDs that arky gift-wrapped, we win that game running away


Flynn completed a 65 yard TD to Jacob Hester that got called back for..... wait for it......illegal procedure (not enough men on the line of scrimmage).

It's a good thing we've fixed that since 2007.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425600 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:43 am to
people don't understand how bad 209 yards on 47 attempts really is

along with 2 completion rates in the 50% range

and our D gave up 452 yards to Bama, let UF run for 4.0 ypc, and 426 yards against Ole Miss
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
78134 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:43 am to
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Arky had weak passing game and UK was weak period. Offense scored enough to win. When your team scored 27,did your coach feel that was enough to win?

Against Arky, that's not enough to win, against UK, it should have been.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:44 am to
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SlowFlowPro


The fact you have a new moon promotional avatar....makes your assessment here, wrong.
Posted by zack7552
Lawton, OK
Member since Jul 2008
3823 posts
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:44 am to
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Bert Lyons 716


I don't mind you making your case about QB stats and such, but as far as the race comments...I didn't make any.

I'm like Stephen Colbert...I don't see color. I know JJ is black, but that's only because people tell me he is. Same with JL...I assume he's white.
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