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re: Saban built LSU from ground up?
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:13 pm to Leonides
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:13 pm to Leonides
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The issue is not whether these players were household names, the issue is that many LSU fans believe LSU was void of talent when Saban took over at LSU and he built the program from scratch. That premise is false as evidenced by the number of players he inherited who went on to play in the NFL. I don't dispute Saban coached them and improved them, but they had to have God-given ability to eventually play at the highest level. And even with Saban's coaching, LSU still lost a number of games that in hindsight, you can argue that LSU should have won.
Or maybe, Oh your not going to like this but, Maybe Saban made them into great players like he has already done at BAMA, wow
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:13 pm to Leonides
The sad thing is that NEVER was it brought up that Saban won with Dinardo's players, as it was never said that UM won with Zook's players.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:13 pm to 11Tiger
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And those 2 games, Saban has had the luxury of a senior QB both times
McElroy is a redshirt junior if I am not mistaken.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:14 pm to Leonides
Saban and Miles both took over programs with tons of talent. The Saban years gave Miles the measureable advantage of a program on the rise in the public's eyes. That's what Saban did from the ground up. Dinardo's last two years had demoralized much of Tiger Nation and severely reduced the team's national perception. Saban winning the first SEC title in 13 years and then the first MNC in 45 years busted open the doorway to national prominence that the Tigers had been excluded from entering for over a decade. Dinardo could lure the talent, just couldn't manage it properly on the field. In many ways I see Les in the same light. The big difference in every year save '08 is Les does hire better coaching talent than Jerry ever did.
I will add that had the coaches been reversed for this game last Saturday the plethora of horrendous wrong calls and no calls would have doomed a Saban-led Tiger team as well IMHO.
I will add that had the coaches been reversed for this game last Saturday the plethora of horrendous wrong calls and no calls would have doomed a Saban-led Tiger team as well IMHO.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:14 pm to 11Tiger
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And those 2 games, Saban has had the luxury of a senior QB both times. That is something that Miles has not had
Is that because Miles recruited a bad seed in Ryan Perriloux? Not anyone's fault about senior qb's, thats the worst argument I have heard all day
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:14 pm to Leonides
No one said LSU was void of talent.
But LSU had 7 losing seasons in the last decade.
7 LOSING seasons.
LSU was nowhere near an established program when Saban took over. Yeah he lost to UAB, yeah he lost to Iowa while coaching the Dolphins, but get a grip on reality. Miles took over a team that was 1 year removed from a 13-1 NC season. LSU had LOST 4 games in the last 2 seasons prior to Miles taking over, not 15!
But LSU had 7 losing seasons in the last decade.
7 LOSING seasons.
LSU was nowhere near an established program when Saban took over. Yeah he lost to UAB, yeah he lost to Iowa while coaching the Dolphins, but get a grip on reality. Miles took over a team that was 1 year removed from a 13-1 NC season. LSU had LOST 4 games in the last 2 seasons prior to Miles taking over, not 15!
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:16 pm to W4LSU
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Or maybe, Oh your not going to like this but, Maybe Saban made them into great players like he has already done at BAMA, wow
Again, I don't dispute Saban made some of them into great players. However, that being the case, then why did LSU lose 5, 3, 5 and 3 games during four of Saban's five seasons at LSU? Was it due to game time coaching?
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:17 pm to drizztiger
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Miles took over a team that was 1 year removed from a 13-1 NC season.
Not to mention countless recruiting NC's too fwiw
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:20 pm to sheek
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frick, you saban coolaid drinkers just cannot give up your hate for Miles
FIFY
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:20 pm to Leonides
Nevermind I will do it for you
Shyrone Carey
Craig Davis**
Jamarcus Russell**
Skyler Green
Ali Highsmith**
Early Doucet**
Ronnie Prude
Matt Flynn**
Craig Steltz**
Jacob Hester**
Bennie Brazell
Jonathan Zenon
Chevis Jackson**
Justin Vincent**
LaRon Landry**
Quinn Johnson**
Darry Beckwith**
Rudy Niswanger**
Nate Livings**
Glenn Dorsey**
Andrew Whitworth**
Dwayne Bowe**
Rickey Jean Francios**
Melvin Oliver
Kyle Williams**
Claude Whoten
Tyson Jackson**
Chase Pittman
Marlon Favorite**
Brett Helms**
Herman Johnson**
Curtis Taylor**
Keith Zinger**
Shyrone Carey
Craig Davis**
Jamarcus Russell**
Skyler Green
Ali Highsmith**
Early Doucet**
Ronnie Prude
Matt Flynn**
Craig Steltz**
Jacob Hester**
Bennie Brazell
Jonathan Zenon
Chevis Jackson**
Justin Vincent**
LaRon Landry**
Quinn Johnson**
Darry Beckwith**
Rudy Niswanger**
Nate Livings**
Glenn Dorsey**
Andrew Whitworth**
Dwayne Bowe**
Rickey Jean Francios**
Melvin Oliver
Kyle Williams**
Claude Whoten
Tyson Jackson**
Chase Pittman
Marlon Favorite**
Brett Helms**
Herman Johnson**
Curtis Taylor**
Keith Zinger**
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:20 pm to Leonides
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However, that being the case, then why did LSU lose 5, 3, 5 and 3 games during four of Saban's five seasons at LSU?
why not mention the 1 loss season that we freakin won a National Title????? Has everyone just plain forgot about that title and those players like they are not part of our past??? God some fans tick me off. Hell, forget saban all you want, but don't forget the players!!! We hardly ever rercognize that team
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:21 pm to Geaux Shaggy
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Shyrone Carey
Craig Davis
Jamarcus Russell
Skyler Green
Ali Highsmith
Early Doucet
Ronnie Prude
Matt Flynn
Craig Steltz
Jacob Hester
Bennie Brazell
Jonathan Zenon
Chevis Jackson
Justin Vincent
LaRon Landry
Quinn Johnson
Darry Beckwith
Rudy Niswanger
Nate Livings
Glenn Dorsey
Andrew Whitworth
Dwayne Bowe
Rickey Jean Francios
Melvin Oliver
Kyle Williams
Claude Whoten
Tyson Jackson
Chase Pittman
Marlon Favorite
Brett Helms
Herman Johnson
Curtis Taylor
Keith Zinger
Can you put ** by NFL players now
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:23 pm to W4LSU
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Not to mention countless recruiting NC's too fwiw
First off, you sound like a bama fan using the stupid arse term "recruiting national championship"
Second, LSU had the #1 class once under Saban, 2003, the year of Early Doucet and company. so the term "Countless" isnt exactly accurate... in fact its about as far from accurate as possible, since instead of countless... it was ONE
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:24 pm to Ash Williams
How many top 5 then
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:25 pm to Leonides
I ask again
What exactly is miles elite in?
Offense?
Defense?
Clock managemnet?
Personnel decisions?
Pre snap discipline?
well since nobody can answer the question
The answer is none of the above
Everything he has put his hand in has turned to shite.
Offense? He inherited Jemarcus Russell and 3 NFL recievers but decided to repeatedly run up the gut over and over with no success and had to be bailed out by his superior players in the 4th quarter over and over.
Defense? He turned one of the most dominant attacking defenses into a big 12 soft zone bend but dont break makem drive the whole field. While lettin the qb sit back and pick LSU apart. Why is it that every qb has the game of their career against lsu since miles has been here??
Clock management?? pee wee at best
Personnel? Continually plays the seniors and coach favorites over more talented underclassmen.
Continually look unprepared and sloppy during the 1st half and have to overcome penalties and poor coaching in order to pull out 4th quarter miracles
I guess LSU recruits just a bunch of stupid freshmen that cant learn the playbook because you see every other school in the country playin and starting true freshman. But I guess lsu's playbook is just that much more advanced than everybody elses
What exactly is miles elite in?
Offense?
Defense?
Clock managemnet?
Personnel decisions?
Pre snap discipline?
well since nobody can answer the question
The answer is none of the above
Everything he has put his hand in has turned to shite.
Offense? He inherited Jemarcus Russell and 3 NFL recievers but decided to repeatedly run up the gut over and over with no success and had to be bailed out by his superior players in the 4th quarter over and over.
Defense? He turned one of the most dominant attacking defenses into a big 12 soft zone bend but dont break makem drive the whole field. While lettin the qb sit back and pick LSU apart. Why is it that every qb has the game of their career against lsu since miles has been here??
Clock management?? pee wee at best
Personnel? Continually plays the seniors and coach favorites over more talented underclassmen.
Continually look unprepared and sloppy during the 1st half and have to overcome penalties and poor coaching in order to pull out 4th quarter miracles
I guess LSU recruits just a bunch of stupid freshmen that cant learn the playbook because you see every other school in the country playin and starting true freshman. But I guess lsu's playbook is just that much more advanced than everybody elses
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:26 pm to W4LSU
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:26 pm to W4LSU
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How many top 5 then
2003, 2004
Les also has 2 top 5 recruiting classes
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:27 pm to Ash Williams
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in fact its about as far from accurate as possible, since instead of countless... it was ONE
I love semantics. Your point is Saban isn't a great recruiter, right???
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:27 pm to Mmorsey
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well since nobody can answer the question
The answer is none of the above
And people, he has seriously been asking this question in like 5 threads and no one can answer it...
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:29 pm to sheek
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frick, you miles coolaid drinkers just cannot give up your hate for Saban. LSU has always had some decent talent, it just a matter of coaching them and Saban coached them and imo better than Miles.
Funny, wins are the same, NC hardware is the same. So, where is little nicky supposed to be better, sonnyboy?
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