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My offensive predictions for the rest of the season
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:38 am
re-watching this again yesterday
reminded me of a few things.
Against UF Dickson had a LB over him at all times and they showed a 5 man front with a LB hat on a hat with Dickson at all times
The first possesion of the 2nd half is at the 1:39mark
1st play sack - they had 3 WR in and were going to try to take a shot down the field after UF kicked a FG
2nd play CScott run for 2yrds (not shown)
the 3rd play (1:46 mark - 3rd and 15 to go) is a 4WR set - no Dickson. 5 OL vs 4 DL and they push our OL back 10 yards and sack a QB in the shotgun that also took a 5 step drop. They were on JJ from the LDE position before he even finished his 5 step drop IN THE SHOTGUN 10 yards behind the LOS
now look at the 2:06 mark
3WR with Dickson
4th and 1 with 5:57 left in the game down 13-3
5 man front at the snap with a 3 man rush. LB releases with Dickson's route. A LB drops back to spy on JJ. Pocket collapses and forces JJ to move left. He has no where to throw the ball so he has to run for it Where two LBs are waiting for him to drop him for a loss
Now keep in mind we were throwing it on 4th and 1 for the ball game and the two WRs at the top were BLOCKING and not running routes
I believe this week in practice they will take the time to work on themselves since they do not have to game prep for someone else. So I predict:
1) they will tighten up the formation OL splits, use mitch joseph and dickson together more and run a lot more offset I with Chuck Scott which will make the blocking schemes easier to execute
2) if they continue to use the 4WR or 5WR spread sets it will be solely for Shep to carry the ball or JJ/Shep and KW to run zone read. The OL is having a very difficult time with the wide splits in the spread formations and the one on one blocking it requires them to do. Speed rushers are giving our tackles a lot of trouble and in the spread they are out there on their own
3) I think we will see more Holliday in the traditional role he has been in the past. As a decoy and as a end around/reverse type of player. I think the days of Holliday running routes are over
4) I think that this week they will stress JJ going under center and using 3/5 step drops with play action to get rid of the ball quicker
5) Miles likes to run the ball but he and Crowton are smart enough to know there are multiple ways to accomplish that and so they will implement the best scheme and plays that the OL can execute and cull the rest of it. The first cull should be the option with JJ
6) I understand what the 4 and 5 WR sets are supposed to do (spread the field) but JJ locks into WRs too much and those formations require him to read too much of the field. So I predict more 2WR and 3WR formations with less WR congestion on designated routes and more option routes for Lafell/Tolliver/Randle.
7) I think that Auburn and Tulane are a golden opportunity to take the training wheels off of Shepard and let him go into the deeper waters a bit. I think it is time to see him run a full offensive series as a QB, throw the ball a few times and run the offense. He was signed at LSU to play QB, he practices at QB and he is a play maker at QB. So give the kid a chance to be the QB.
We are all aware of the high end and low end offensive outputs we have seen under Miles at LSU. Yet Miles has the undeserved reputation of being a conservative offense coach because he played OL at Michigan 30 years ago? Some forget that the all time leading receiver in OSU history, Rashaun Woods, played for Miles:
So if Miles is anything, he is an opportunist and a realist that knows sometimes you have to chuck it to win, and sometimes you have to Chuck Scott it to win. With a QB and an OL that are struggling with a vertical passing game, why continue to expose their deficiencies by forcing a bad fit in your offensive system? Why not go back to basics, stress the power running game, protecting the QB and getting rid of the football? I think Miles and Company know this as well as anyone and now is the time to make the adjustments.
reminded me of a few things.
Against UF Dickson had a LB over him at all times and they showed a 5 man front with a LB hat on a hat with Dickson at all times
The first possesion of the 2nd half is at the 1:39mark
1st play sack - they had 3 WR in and were going to try to take a shot down the field after UF kicked a FG
2nd play CScott run for 2yrds (not shown)
the 3rd play (1:46 mark - 3rd and 15 to go) is a 4WR set - no Dickson. 5 OL vs 4 DL and they push our OL back 10 yards and sack a QB in the shotgun that also took a 5 step drop. They were on JJ from the LDE position before he even finished his 5 step drop IN THE SHOTGUN 10 yards behind the LOS
now look at the 2:06 mark
3WR with Dickson
4th and 1 with 5:57 left in the game down 13-3
5 man front at the snap with a 3 man rush. LB releases with Dickson's route. A LB drops back to spy on JJ. Pocket collapses and forces JJ to move left. He has no where to throw the ball so he has to run for it Where two LBs are waiting for him to drop him for a loss
Now keep in mind we were throwing it on 4th and 1 for the ball game and the two WRs at the top were BLOCKING and not running routes
I believe this week in practice they will take the time to work on themselves since they do not have to game prep for someone else. So I predict:
1) they will tighten up the formation OL splits, use mitch joseph and dickson together more and run a lot more offset I with Chuck Scott which will make the blocking schemes easier to execute
2) if they continue to use the 4WR or 5WR spread sets it will be solely for Shep to carry the ball or JJ/Shep and KW to run zone read. The OL is having a very difficult time with the wide splits in the spread formations and the one on one blocking it requires them to do. Speed rushers are giving our tackles a lot of trouble and in the spread they are out there on their own
3) I think we will see more Holliday in the traditional role he has been in the past. As a decoy and as a end around/reverse type of player. I think the days of Holliday running routes are over
4) I think that this week they will stress JJ going under center and using 3/5 step drops with play action to get rid of the ball quicker
5) Miles likes to run the ball but he and Crowton are smart enough to know there are multiple ways to accomplish that and so they will implement the best scheme and plays that the OL can execute and cull the rest of it. The first cull should be the option with JJ
6) I understand what the 4 and 5 WR sets are supposed to do (spread the field) but JJ locks into WRs too much and those formations require him to read too much of the field. So I predict more 2WR and 3WR formations with less WR congestion on designated routes and more option routes for Lafell/Tolliver/Randle.
7) I think that Auburn and Tulane are a golden opportunity to take the training wheels off of Shepard and let him go into the deeper waters a bit. I think it is time to see him run a full offensive series as a QB, throw the ball a few times and run the offense. He was signed at LSU to play QB, he practices at QB and he is a play maker at QB. So give the kid a chance to be the QB.
We are all aware of the high end and low end offensive outputs we have seen under Miles at LSU. Yet Miles has the undeserved reputation of being a conservative offense coach because he played OL at Michigan 30 years ago? Some forget that the all time leading receiver in OSU history, Rashaun Woods, played for Miles:
quote:
Woods, OSU’s record-setting receiver just completed the regular season with 66 receptions for 1,144 yards and 14 touchdowns. Woods averaged 95.3 yards per game and an impressive 17.3 yards per reception.
Seven of Woods’ touchdown receptions came in one game. In OSU’s win at SMU, Woods hauled in seven touchdown receptions to break an NCAA single game record that had stood since 1969.
During the 2003 regular season, Woods had six games with 100 or more receiving yards, including a career high 232 yards on 13 receptions in the SMU game. He finished the regular season with six catches for 125 yards and a touchdown against Baylor.
Woods is only Oklahoma State receiver to record three straight 1,000-yard receiving seasons. He had 1,695 yards in a record setting junior season in 2002 and that followed 1,023 yards in 2001 as a sophomore.
For his Oklahoma State career, Woods now has 282 receptions for 4,191 yards and 41 touchdowns. He is just the eighth receiver in NCAA history to reach the 4,000 yard mark and he will finish his Oklahoma State career owning literally every Cowboy receiving record.
So if Miles is anything, he is an opportunist and a realist that knows sometimes you have to chuck it to win, and sometimes you have to Chuck Scott it to win. With a QB and an OL that are struggling with a vertical passing game, why continue to expose their deficiencies by forcing a bad fit in your offensive system? Why not go back to basics, stress the power running game, protecting the QB and getting rid of the football? I think Miles and Company know this as well as anyone and now is the time to make the adjustments.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:43 am to supatigah
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4WR or 5WR spread sets it will be solely for Shep to carry the ball
I wish this were true.....
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:51 am to Big Fat
frankly we don't have a 4th WR or a 5th WR that are much of a threat so why push them out there and expose our OL's weaknesses? Is it just to get Chris Mitchell and RJ Jackson snaps? Spreading the field seems to work more against us than for us
Posted on 10/14/09 at 9:53 am to Big Fat
i for one appreciate your effort, but you are working too hard.
This offense is just going to try harder at what we've been doing.
Miles says there are linemen playing well and we need to run more. And he is working on JJ so that he throws the ball away instead of taking the sack. Go Tigers!
This offense is just going to try harder at what we've been doing.
Miles says there are linemen playing well and we need to run more. And he is working on JJ so that he throws the ball away instead of taking the sack. Go Tigers!
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:19 am to supatigah
Supah. Good post.
But you should have known if you got too detailed, it would run most of these guys that are complaining and bitching off.
But you should have known if you got too detailed, it would run most of these guys that are complaining and bitching off.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:23 am to stephendomalley
Supa I agree with most.
But, at the 2:06 mark. The protection was good enough. The backside or rightside receivers weren't blocking, they just didn't work real hard on the routes. The protection was decent enough.
Not sure what the left side receivers were doing, but there is no doubt that was JJ first read. The 1st read must have been covered, because after that he didn't know what to do.
My biggest problem is that as the QB, you have to know the situation. Thus, you have to know that you must throw the ball there whether it was open or not. There was no way he was making that first down and he didn't.
But, at the 2:06 mark. The protection was good enough. The backside or rightside receivers weren't blocking, they just didn't work real hard on the routes. The protection was decent enough.
Not sure what the left side receivers were doing, but there is no doubt that was JJ first read. The 1st read must have been covered, because after that he didn't know what to do.
My biggest problem is that as the QB, you have to know the situation. Thus, you have to know that you must throw the ball there whether it was open or not. There was no way he was making that first down and he didn't.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:38 am to supatigah
On the 4th and 1 play the ball was on the left hashmark. TT was split out wide right, with JoJo next to him in the slot. They both ran quick slants, but the CB's were playing M2M and got great jams on them before they could break. Spikes rushed on the play instead of spying JJ as he had done most the game before. He went up against Barksdale, but JB held his own. The real problem, as you alluded to, was that the LDE blew Hitt up and collapsed the right side of the pocket, so JJ couldn't throw it to the right. He looked left for his checkdown, but the RB was covered in the left flat. Dickson must been bracketed in the middle. Randle was the FL on the left side, but his CB was playing him M2M too. When JJ rolled left, RR went behind the CB up the sideline. JJ should have just chucked a lob to him. On 4th down, and the game in the balance, it was worth any risk to keep the drive alive.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 10:43 am to The Tiger King
Tiger King you may be right. Maybe he was "forced" into going left. Personally, I thought both TT and BL did a poor job of getting free.
I totally agree with the chunk it thought. At that point in the game, you must take a chance.
I totally agree with the chunk it thought. At that point in the game, you must take a chance.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:07 am to supatigah
Defenses know we cant throw, and then they put 8 men in the box and stop our run, its hard for the o-line to block 8 men...I grow tired of people blaming the o-line...The problem is quarterback, then people say he is 19, hell USC has an 18 year old. I think JJ is about like Tyler, which isnt good..Miles has confidence in JJ.and false confidence usually ends in disaster...Ward off disaster and change your quarterback... I saw shep play in High School and he can throw, maybe not with the velocity of JJ but he is effeiciant...Then the holes will open up in the running game...Thats why balance is the key...You cant be one dimensional and succeed, defenses are forcing us to be in our weakest part of our game....passing...Our quarterback is not learning or it takes him too long to learn.( a big problem at a competitive university) We already have one quarterback that has learned the hard way...put him in... usually when you learn the hard way you dont forget...Miles cant afford two years of learning quarterbacks...I think Lee is ready again...I liked him last year and I still do this year...Plus, Shep needs to play for at least the a whole series, a couple of times a game...and then he'll prove why he is so electrifying...he fumbled so what, he's a smart kid that doesnt take that long to learn a lesson...put him in let the fans see what ive seen the last two years here in houston...and for those of you who say high and college are different...believe me I know...but he's also averaging 7 yards a carry now isnt he...Let him run the offense for two series in a row...If I was rich id pay a million dollars to coach miles to let him do it...He's that good when you let him play and let him know that he's not coming out...He's ten times better in the clutch then Adam Vinetari...
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:10 am to The Tiger King
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They both ran quick slants, but the CB's were playing M2M and got great jams on them before they could break.
As for as Lafell, if that is the best he can do on a slant route with 4th and 1 and the game on the line then I hope he gets his degree because he won't be getting paid to play football.
I think TT ran the wrong route or didn't know WTF he was supposed to be doing. Who in the hell teaches WRs to run slants as combo routes on the same side of the field without some sort of delay action between them? If Lafell was supposed to run a slant versus man then I think TT was supposed to run a go or a dig on the outside and he messed up.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:14 am to supatigah
Jefferson had time on those plays, he has to step up in the "pocket". A pocket is not where the OLmen push the DLmen back, its where they push the over and out hince forming a half moom shaped pocket. If Jefferson steps up on those plays he buys more time. He's done it over and over this year and takes sacks for it. He just keeps freezing or going backwards.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:18 am to TigerFan55555
JJ has no internal clock and takes a 10 yard drop. We have to at least try slant/bubble screen to mix it up/get it out of JJ's hands. We can simplify offense and still be unpredictable, but right now its just too easy for D to hone in on what we're doing
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:18 am to supatigah
more zone read please! on the 2nd and goal play we had a good play off it, shotgun 2 TEs. backside DE had to respect JJ keeping and Dickson takes his man out into the flat. that left the 5 OL and Mitch pretty much man on man and Chuck's gets good yards. we shoulda done that more. hell I'd have rather done that on 3rd than what we ran.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:22 am to supatigah
Yeah, man. I don't know what play was called. That's just what I saw them do.
A crossing route by Lafell cleared out by Dickson down the seam would have been nice there.
A crossing route by Lafell cleared out by Dickson down the seam would have been nice there.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:28 am to ATLTiger
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more zone read please! on the 2nd and goal play we had a good play off it, shotgun 2 TEs. backside DE had to respect JJ keeping and Dickson takes his man out into the flat. that left the 5 OL and Mitch pretty much man on man and Chuck's gets good yards. we shoulda done that more. hell I'd have rather done that on 3rd than what we ran.
Agreed. It seems that JJ is more comfortable and effective with the ZR rather than option. Chuck got 8 yards on that 2nd and Goal. I wish we would have run it on 1st down and more throughout the rest of the game.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:30 am to The Tiger King
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Yeah, man. I don't know what play was called. That's just what I saw them do.
sorry wasn't directed at you homey
Danielson pointed out that he thought they were blocking on the broadcast. I am starting to think that TT is not as good as we think and others on offense may be suffering because of it.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:32 am to supatigah
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4) I think that this week they will stress JJ going under center and using 3/5 step drops with play action to get rid of the ball quicker
I thought this was going to happen against Florida. I really did. Any idiot shol dhave known we could not run what we had been trying (whatever then hell it was) against the speed and strength of Florida and have much success.
I anticipated a heavy dose of Chuck off left tackle, then open things up with play action to the tigh end and shorter crossing routes. An occasional fly or go pattern mixed in to "keep 'em honest".
A simplified offensive scheme coupled with our defensive performance would have defeated Florida or at least forced tham into a less conservative offensive gameplan, IMHO. A less conservative gameplan would have given our Defense a chance to do what they do, force turn overs.
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:35 am to supatigah
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So if Miles is anything, he is an opportunist and a realist that knows sometimes you have to chuck it to win, and sometimes you have to Chuck Scott it to win
fantastic sentence
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:36 am to Hot Carl
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fantastic sentence
Supa = Dubois alter?
Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:37 am to supatigah
2:06
Lafell, in the slot at the top, stops his route with a scrambling QB.
If he continues down the LOS, JJ dumps the ball to him for the first down.
Dickson, prolly ran a hook. Receiver at the bottom probably some kind of streak route or maybe 8-10 and out (all we can see is he takes the DB downfield, prolly to block the DB for Dickson for whom the play was designed to go to).
So Dickson is covered and it was Lafell's play to get down the into JJ's field of vision to get a 2-3 yard crossing pattern pass.
Now, I'm not certain JJ's experience is enough to now PRE-SNAP that that is where the open spot will be. But, ofw.
Lafell, in the slot at the top, stops his route with a scrambling QB.
If he continues down the LOS, JJ dumps the ball to him for the first down.
Dickson, prolly ran a hook. Receiver at the bottom probably some kind of streak route or maybe 8-10 and out (all we can see is he takes the DB downfield, prolly to block the DB for Dickson for whom the play was designed to go to).
So Dickson is covered and it was Lafell's play to get down the into JJ's field of vision to get a 2-3 yard crossing pattern pass.
Now, I'm not certain JJ's experience is enough to now PRE-SNAP that that is where the open spot will be. But, ofw.
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