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Keeping oil prices in perspective, via NYT. The current price is not remotely remarkable

Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:21 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73936 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:21 pm
As of my writing, it’s at 88/barrel.


To put that in perspective, via NYT:


quote:

“Most Americans probably don’t look back at March 2012. In the month when “The Hunger Games” ruled the box office and President Barack Obama was on his way to a comfortable re-election, the price of Brent crude closed the month around $123 a barrel. That would be about $175 a barrel in today’s dollars.

As of Tuesday, despite Iran’s effective closure of the Strait of Hormuz and its attacks on its neighbors’ energy facilities, it’s hovering around $100, slightly higher than the average inflation-adjusted price since January 2001, roughly $95.”



This isn’t arguing that it’s a good thing that prices have gone up. But it does suggest that it’s silly to be using phrases such as “energy crisis” or “record prices”

What the data actually shows is that between 2001 and 2026, half of those years had average real prices higher than the current price.

This episode makes me skeptical that America could actually win a third world war. Unlike the greatest generations, modern Americans are simply not willing to sacrifice any dollars for foreign policy. There would be immense political pressure to surrender to the Chinese or agree to favorable peace terms for China.


Chinese citizens, on the other hand, would have a higher tolerance for economic sacrifice


Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
41813 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:23 pm to
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modern Americans are simply not willing to sacrifice any dollars for foreign policy.

Wtf are you talking about? The US defense budget in 1946 was $43 billion. What many people like you consider "defense" others consider "waste".
Posted by lurking
Member since Nov 2022
1985 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:25 pm to
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Chinese citizens, on the other hand, would have a higher tolerance for economic sacrifice


Only because they’re conditioned to accept a diminished standard of living. Same as most third worlders.

That’s why they want to replace you with them. The sooner that happens in a large enough number, the sooner your opinion on what you will or won’t accept is irrelevant.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73936 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:28 pm to
I’m not referring to govt spending

Wars and conflicts tend to increase the price of oil, meat, etc

Previous generations generally put higher value on winning conflicts than temporary price spikes and supply interruptions.

I don’t think modern Americans have a similar values scale.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11779 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:31 pm to
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This episode makes me skeptical that America could actually win a third world war.


Not if you tried to fight it like this. The American people slowly came to support entering the war in the months and years prior to Pearl Harbor then overwhelmingly supported the decision to enter it afterwards. There was open acknowledgement from politicians at all levels that there would have to be sacrifice. In that context, the American people endured hardship, but that context doesn't match what we have now.
This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 9:34 pm
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
4467 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:32 pm to
don't just look at the pump prices down the street. Look at the global ramifications of trumps decision to let Israel drag him into this war. It is going to get real.y bad globally.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73936 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:38 pm to
I’m not just referring to iran stuff.

The Ukraine/russia stuff also saw Americans steadily shift from being strongly pro Ukraine at first to a solid 40%+ of Americans supporting Ukraine surrender once gas prices rose.

Do you truly think present day Americans would put up with outright rationing of basic grocery goods like the greatest generation did? Even if it was a world war?

I don’t.


If China invaded Taiwan tomorrow, do you truly think Americans would be willing to sacrifice their economic standing?

I don’t for a second believe that. I am mainly referring to libertarians and Fuentes shills
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73936 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:40 pm to
Australia imports *90%* of its oil.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11779 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 9:42 pm to
Not initially, but they might if the American military or merchant marine were attacked trying to supply Taiwanese resistance for long enough. Look at the change in public opinion for war through 1940-to later '41. It changed considerably. Roosevelt continued to aid allies without entering, pushed the Axis into attack US shipping and eventually Hawaii and public opinion was galvanized. There was still some resistance, but it was negligible.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
101948 posts
Posted on 3/24/26 at 10:03 pm to
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The US defense budget in 1946 was $43 billion. What many people like you consider "defense" others consider "waste".


46 billion in 1946 is 717 billion today

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
28925 posts
Posted on 3/25/26 at 5:25 am to
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As of my writing, it’s at 88/barrel.


You’re talking about WTI crude, which as of my writing, is about $87/bbl.

The article is talking about Brent crude, which as of now is around $98/bbl.

As far the article, yes, adjusted for inflation, we had some higher extremes in the past. There’s now more oil on the global market than in 2012. The U.S. alone is currently putting out about 6-7 Million barrels a day more than we were in 2012.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6867 posts
Posted on 3/25/26 at 5:30 am to
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This episode makes me skeptical that America could actually win a third world war.


Do you want one?

I do t think we could "win" one. No one would win in another global conflict. But we sure as frick are the most likely to start it this time... and considering why we were founded, that should be a shameful thing.
Posted by theballguy
Huntsville Alabama
Member since Oct 2011
36085 posts
Posted on 3/25/26 at 6:36 am to
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I don’t think modern Americans have a similar values scale.



They are pussies of the highest order.
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