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Was the oct 7th attack by Hamas one of the greatest blunders in military history?
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:07 am
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:07 am
No matter if they moved on their own accord earlier than planned or if it was directed by Iran itself the real world outcomes have been as follows;
Hezbollah bar none Irans most well armed and deadly proxy has been so successfully neutered they’re at this point just a minor political party no longer capable of much of anything militarily
Hamas has been so throughly and ruthlessly, to the point you can make very reasonable arguments to an overwhelming over aggressive degree but that’s not what this convo is about, destroyed they’re essentially eradicated.
The Houthi’s have been bombed into oblivion by us to the point they no longer have the capability to even harass ships which is a minor inconvenience at best
Iran itself has seen its top leadership killed, its people demonstrate strong desire for a new regime, and the only thing giving it any legitimacy whatsoever it’s nuclear program utterly decimated and the people with the institutional knowledge of it ruthlessly assassinated by Mossad.
I think they fricked up with that attack
Hezbollah bar none Irans most well armed and deadly proxy has been so successfully neutered they’re at this point just a minor political party no longer capable of much of anything militarily
Hamas has been so throughly and ruthlessly, to the point you can make very reasonable arguments to an overwhelming over aggressive degree but that’s not what this convo is about, destroyed they’re essentially eradicated.
The Houthi’s have been bombed into oblivion by us to the point they no longer have the capability to even harass ships which is a minor inconvenience at best
Iran itself has seen its top leadership killed, its people demonstrate strong desire for a new regime, and the only thing giving it any legitimacy whatsoever it’s nuclear program utterly decimated and the people with the institutional knowledge of it ruthlessly assassinated by Mossad.
I think they fricked up with that attack
This post was edited on 3/1/26 at 12:09 am
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Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:11 am to td01241
With Mossad agents at every level of Iranian intelligence and military, I wonder how they missed this?
This post was edited on 3/1/26 at 12:13 am
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:12 am to td01241
Clearly Israel had prior intelligence and allowed it to happen as a casus belli so they could wipe those groups off the map. It’s not possible for Mossad to be as entrenched as they are and not know about it.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:14 am to td01241
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:14 am to td01241
the pager prank had to be embarrassing, humiliating, and demoralizing.
the ones it didn't kill them, it blew their nuts off.
the ones it didn't kill them, it blew their nuts off.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:14 am to The Boat
Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. I think it’s equally likely they did and did not.
Either way though the attack itself and its Implications and fall out culminating in today’s strikes is what I am interested in. It’s definitely imo the worst military blunder since at least hitler going so deep into Soviet territory in winter
Either way though the attack itself and its Implications and fall out culminating in today’s strikes is what I am interested in. It’s definitely imo the worst military blunder since at least hitler going so deep into Soviet territory in winter
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:16 am to td01241
Hindsight being what it is….
We went from Biden to Trump in addition to what you listed. Biden never would’ve taken this path. Dude was against killing bin Laden.
We went from Biden to Trump in addition to what you listed. Biden never would’ve taken this path. Dude was against killing bin Laden.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:20 am to The Boat
100% This…. The Boat understands the reality of Israeli depravity to let their citizens be killed as a pretext to annihilate the enemy.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:21 am to Figgy
Trump is the only politician in my lifetime comfortable acting in situations where the stakes are extremely high almost as high as they could be.
He’s shown this 3 times now in the past year;
The attacks last June on Fordow
Snatching Maduro
And effectively putting the death knell into a regime that’s responsible for more American deaths than any other on earth.
No one else would’ve taken any of these actions, wether out of fear, corruption, or something else.
He’s shown this 3 times now in the past year;
The attacks last June on Fordow
Snatching Maduro
And effectively putting the death knell into a regime that’s responsible for more American deaths than any other on earth.
No one else would’ve taken any of these actions, wether out of fear, corruption, or something else.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:23 am to Rebel
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the ones it didn't kill them, it blew their nuts off.
Does this mean that when they die they won’t get 72 virgins? I mean, come on, it seems that would be such a waste -- not to mention, sort of cruel.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:23 am to Django Unchained
Some of you guys are so fricking obsessed with Israel you can’t have a discussion on the actual OP.
I agree with major swaths of the Israel critics arguments, but none of that is what I asked in the OP nor what I spent some time typing up a detailed layout about.
Jesus Christ man not everything is always about Israel at all times in all conversations
I agree with major swaths of the Israel critics arguments, but none of that is what I asked in the OP nor what I spent some time typing up a detailed layout about.
Jesus Christ man not everything is always about Israel at all times in all conversations
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:29 am to td01241
Even the joo hatin tin foil hats have to acknowledge how stupid the muslim mindset is - either it was a jewish conspiracy to entrap them, or it was them making a boneheaded decision. Either way, they are the idiot
I think I posted on this board long ago but that day I was hunting quail and didnt get the news until later that day. Will always remember it.
Iran fricked itself out of its own stupidity and bloodlust. Now the beasts who led their war machine for half a century get to reap what they have sowed. Not so fun being a warmonger when your the one taking the shots
I think I posted on this board long ago but that day I was hunting quail and didnt get the news until later that day. Will always remember it.
Iran fricked itself out of its own stupidity and bloodlust. Now the beasts who led their war machine for half a century get to reap what they have sowed. Not so fun being a warmonger when your the one taking the shots
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:30 am to td01241
Your OP literally was about an attack on Israel and when it comes to Middle Eastern politics/war everything is centered around Israel.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:33 am to td01241
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Some of you guys are so fricking obsessed with Israel you can’t have a discussion on the actual OP.
I agree with major swaths of the Israel critics arguments, but none of that is what I asked in the OP nor what I spent some time typing up a detailed layout about.
Jesus Christ man not everything is always about Israel at all times in all conversations
Its just a variation of TDS
I try and keep my beliefs out of it (Israel was promised by God), but they make sense to have as an ally without any of that involved. Who is a better ally? France? Come on now.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:33 am to Sizzle_DAWG
It was about how big of a military mistake it was and asking if it is one of the worst ones in history. That’s the subject of the thread.
Not how complicit do we think Israel was in allowing it to occur, which again I think there’s at least a 50% chance they did, and I have major major concerns and criticisms of them. It’s not the point of this thread though, and when people immediately make it about that they come off not as people criticizing Israel but just hating Jews because why must this OP involve that convo?
Not how complicit do we think Israel was in allowing it to occur, which again I think there’s at least a 50% chance they did, and I have major major concerns and criticisms of them. It’s not the point of this thread though, and when people immediately make it about that they come off not as people criticizing Israel but just hating Jews because why must this OP involve that convo?
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:38 am to td01241
Because your premise is flimsy and falls apart if Israel allowed the attack for their greater good, which many people think is what actually happened.
I mean, think about it: a blind attack on one of the most sophisticated intelligence gathering countries in the world? I think not.
Besides, was it really a blunder when Iran was dealing with the Biden administration as opposed to Trump? I think a lot of people were in doubt if Trump could actually win again in 2023 considering the lawfare at the time and the 2020 election.
It was a very opportune time to attack considering how weak Biden was and not to mention the massive funding of the Ukraine war.
I mean, think about it: a blind attack on one of the most sophisticated intelligence gathering countries in the world? I think not.
Besides, was it really a blunder when Iran was dealing with the Biden administration as opposed to Trump? I think a lot of people were in doubt if Trump could actually win again in 2023 considering the lawfare at the time and the 2020 election.
It was a very opportune time to attack considering how weak Biden was and not to mention the massive funding of the Ukraine war.
This post was edited on 3/1/26 at 12:40 am
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:40 am to td01241
Trump is very, very comfortable in attacking enemies when he deems it necessary. That is a good thing for them to have to consider when dealing with us.
I wouldn’t go there. Trump has what is by far the most advanced military on earth which makes these decisions easier than what past presidents were faced with. That’s not to say that it’s an easy decision but the difference in our tech and others is very apparent and plays to his advantage when comparing him to his predecessors. If Trump were to do something like this with Russia or China it may not have been so smooth. They aren’t peers (no one is) but they’re far better prepared than Iran especially after how they’ve been hammered over the last 9 months.
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No one else would’ve taken any of these actions, wether out of fear, corruption, or something else.
I wouldn’t go there. Trump has what is by far the most advanced military on earth which makes these decisions easier than what past presidents were faced with. That’s not to say that it’s an easy decision but the difference in our tech and others is very apparent and plays to his advantage when comparing him to his predecessors. If Trump were to do something like this with Russia or China it may not have been so smooth. They aren’t peers (no one is) but they’re far better prepared than Iran especially after how they’ve been hammered over the last 9 months.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:40 am to GeauxBurrow312
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Who is a better ally
In terms of what Israel brings to the table by margin of their size and where they are in the world, speaking’s strictly military, they’re an amazing ally.
Now is that worth all the frickery they do in our domestic affairs? I’ll leave that up to each person to decide.
Other vitally important allies on the world stage currently as geopolitics shifts are Japan, India (massive rising power), Poland and Hungary, still the UK to some extent but could and should be much more, and El Salvador and Argentina
Europe is a completely spent force and useless both economically and militarily
This post was edited on 3/1/26 at 12:49 am
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:42 am to td01241
Underestimating Trump is the worst blunder. Full stop.
Posted on 3/1/26 at 12:43 am to Sizzle_DAWG
I mean youre welcome to your opinion and your arguments.
I think considering everything laid out in my OP being true and as of today it’s final penultimate consequence has reached the one’s ultimately behind it, arguing it’s not a massive blunder is certainly….a take.
In short no matter if Israel knew and allowed it or they didn’t, the action taken was still the same and it’s follow on effects still occurred
I think considering everything laid out in my OP being true and as of today it’s final penultimate consequence has reached the one’s ultimately behind it, arguing it’s not a massive blunder is certainly….a take.
In short no matter if Israel knew and allowed it or they didn’t, the action taken was still the same and it’s follow on effects still occurred
This post was edited on 3/1/26 at 12:45 am
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