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Why is Ferrari so incompetent as an F1 team?
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:22 am
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:22 am
My opinion: they are Italian.
The other F1 teams for the most part are in their own “Silicon Valley” type bubble outside of London, where talent, consultants, and resources can flow freely every year.
The only thing that flows freely in Italy is pasta and a lazy culture, especially compared to the UK.
The other F1 teams for the most part are in their own “Silicon Valley” type bubble outside of London, where talent, consultants, and resources can flow freely every year.
The only thing that flows freely in Italy is pasta and a lazy culture, especially compared to the UK.
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Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:26 am to AlextheBodacious
quote:Nah, soccer is gay.
Soccer board
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:26 am to VooDude
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:26 am to VooDude
Yeah. What did the Italians ever give us?
(Other than the aqueduct)
(Other than the aqueduct)
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:27 am to soccerfüt
quote:And sanitation? But what else have the Romans ever done for us?
Yeah. What did the Italians ever give us? (Other than the aqueduct)
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:27 am to VooDude
It blows my mind. Was really hoping Lewis would do something cool at Ferrari.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:27 am to VooDude
They are making lots of money. In that sense they are successful.
Why are they not winning? Likely company structure and culture. Meathead mentality of winning by sheer will and brute force rather than engineering their way out of it.
Without the cost cap they could just pour money into trying everything. Now they have to manage. They will eventually throw a fit and threaten to leave if F1 doesn't let them get some advantage.
Why are they not winning? Likely company structure and culture. Meathead mentality of winning by sheer will and brute force rather than engineering their way out of it.
Without the cost cap they could just pour money into trying everything. Now they have to manage. They will eventually throw a fit and threaten to leave if F1 doesn't let them get some advantage.
This post was edited on 12/17/25 at 6:29 am
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:29 am to tiggy
quote:Same here, especially after he got robbed of a title in Abu Dhabi in 2021. Blatant FIA corruption.
It blows my mind. Was really hoping Lewis would do something cool at Ferrari.
Ever since he’s been outclassed by his teammates, both Russel and LeClerc every year. I think that broke him.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:34 am to VooDude
It's funny, because their hypercar program has been hugely successful the last several years.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:36 am to fightin tigers
quote:
They are making lots of money. In that sense they are successful. Why are they not winning? Likely company structure and culture. Meathead mentality of winning by sheer will and brute force rather than engineering their way out of it. Without the cost cap they could just pour money into trying everything. Now they have to manage. They will eventually throw a fit and threaten to leave if F1 doesn't let them get some advantage.
You’re right. Sounds like they need to move their F1 arm to the UK. Sorry, but I can’t ever see a bloated, Italian team with fat pensions sacrifice quality of life over efficiency.
They will never leave F1. They get a massive retention bonus that no other team gets and being in F1 helps them sell shitty street cars that will never live up to Porsche. :)
That, and Ferrari makes most of their money from merchandise. It’s all about their brand to casuals.
This post was edited on 12/17/25 at 6:38 am
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:37 am to VooDude
quote:
And sanitation?
The communal poop sponge
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:43 am to beerJeep
quote:Reminds me of American attitudes towards F1. Little do they know, we’re an F1 country now with Charlotte and Indianapolis as incubators for Haas and Cadillac F1 development.
The communal poop sponge
I look forward to seeing that take off in the next decade or so. Before you know it, we’ll all be drinking espresso. TD just doesn’t know it yet.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:47 am to tiggy
He was past it the last few years before Ferrari. Just expect Fernando Alonso type things from now on from him.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:50 am to VooDude
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:52 am to VooDude
Ferrari finished #4 getting two cars in the points almost every race. Red Bull finished #3 with only Max getting points in every race.
McLaren finished #1, and deservedly so. Their cars were top shelf. Got Lando the championship. Could any driver have won in those cars?
Mercedes finished #2. George Russel is terribly underrated, but has his flaws. Kimi is awesome. The team is solid German engineering. No complaints.
Red Bull is all Max. Car #2 is invisible. I really don't understand how Max can be in the hunt every race, and Car #2 - no matter the driver - struggles to find points.
Then there's Ferrari. Poor Lewis had to have major culture shock being an Englishman, having recently been with Germans and moving to an Italian team. Charles LeClerc gets it by now, and has learned to deal with them. But it's a totally different way of thinking at Ferrari. They need a Spanish or Italian driver to truly understand the way they do things.
McLaren finished #1, and deservedly so. Their cars were top shelf. Got Lando the championship. Could any driver have won in those cars?
Mercedes finished #2. George Russel is terribly underrated, but has his flaws. Kimi is awesome. The team is solid German engineering. No complaints.
Red Bull is all Max. Car #2 is invisible. I really don't understand how Max can be in the hunt every race, and Car #2 - no matter the driver - struggles to find points.
Then there's Ferrari. Poor Lewis had to have major culture shock being an Englishman, having recently been with Germans and moving to an Italian team. Charles LeClerc gets it by now, and has learned to deal with them. But it's a totally different way of thinking at Ferrari. They need a Spanish or Italian driver to truly understand the way they do things.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 6:53 am to VooDude
All true.
Posted on 12/17/25 at 7:13 am to BitBuster
quote:
Ferrari finished #4 getting two cars in the points almost every race. Red Bull finished #3 with only Max getting points in every race. McLaren finished #1, and deservedly so. Their cars were top shelf. Got Lando the championship. Could any driver have won in those cars? Mercedes finished #2. George Russel is terribly underrated, but has his flaws. Kimi is awesome. The team is solid German engineering. No complaints. Red Bull is all Max. Car #2 is invisible. I really don't understand how Max can be in the hunt every race, and Car #2 - no matter the driver - struggles to find points. Then there's Ferrari. Poor Lewis had to have major culture shock being an Englishman, having recently been with Germans and moving to an Italian team. Charles LeClerc gets it by now, and has learned to deal with them. But it's a totally different way of thinking at Ferrari. They need a Spanish or Italian driver to truly understand the way they do things.
Honestly, I used to hate Max for his immature attitude and how he treated Checo before 2023 (who practically handed the 2021 title to Max by blocking Hamilton in Abu Dhabi), but I’ve grown to appreciate him. I don’t think we’ll ever see a driver as talented as him again.
In his free time, he just sim races, sometimes pulling all nighters on his sim rig before qualifications and races. But he’s Max, he can do whatever he wants.
Like his former teammate Albon said, the car is too hard to drive unless you’re in the same league of talent. “It’s like turning the sensitivity up on a computer game to max and expecting someone to just step into the car and figure it out”. The car is in a knife’s edge, very pointy front balanced handling, and wants to kill you. The car was built for Max, but should be interesting to see how Hadjar does next year. He seems very promising.
Agreed on the Italian stuff. Ferrari is not a compatible team for any British or German man—Ferrari mentally destroyed Vettel and Raikonnen (a fin) too even though they managed to win titles.
Schumacher was the outlier, another great talent, who caught the Ferrari wave at the right time.
This post was edited on 12/17/25 at 7:25 am
Posted on 12/17/25 at 7:15 am to soccerfüt
quote:
What did the Italians ever give us?
Beretta
Benelli
Posted on 12/17/25 at 7:25 am to VooDude
quote:
Agreed on the Italian stuff. Ferrari is not a compatible team for any British or German man
In a perfect world - Max would be at Mercedes, Kimi Antonelli would be at Ferrari, Lewis would be at McLaren, and Oscar Piastri would be at Red Bull.
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