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Saints would be at least 6-8 if they started Shough and ditched Groupe earlier
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:28 am
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:28 am
IMO, we probably come up short of winning the division, but we allowed Rattler and Groupe to sabotage our season for way to long.
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:39 am to saints5021
We have no idea what we would be.
We have no idea if Shough would’ve struggled early and then maybe gets benched for Rattler and we yo-yo all year between them. We have no idea what growth KM has undergone after starting poorly, and what processes he has changed as a VERY young rookie HC over the course of the season.
Anyone speaking in absolutes about past results based on current potential is out of their mind. It’s played out amazingly well for us where we will have some decent picks AND momentum moving forward.
We have no idea if Shough would’ve struggled early and then maybe gets benched for Rattler and we yo-yo all year between them. We have no idea what growth KM has undergone after starting poorly, and what processes he has changed as a VERY young rookie HC over the course of the season.
Anyone speaking in absolutes about past results based on current potential is out of their mind. It’s played out amazingly well for us where we will have some decent picks AND momentum moving forward.
This post was edited on 12/15/25 at 8:41 am
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:40 am to saints5021
Shough sitting the first half of the season probably did him a lot of good.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:41 am to saints5021
Not necessarily. Shough is a rookie and most likely needed the time with the clipboard to get fully acclimated to the NFL.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:42 am to saints5021
There’s a strong argument to be made that Shough doesn’t look this good if he gets thrown right into the fire.
His development is far more important than a couple extra wins. This team needs alot of help still to make noise in the playoffs anyway.
His development is far more important than a couple extra wins. This team needs alot of help still to make noise in the playoffs anyway.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:45 am to Swagga
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His development is far more important than a couple extra wins. This team needs alot of help still to make noise in the playoffs anyway.
This.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:46 am to Swagga
we all knew this year was gonna be a burner season to get out of the Cap situation, and a roster that all believed was gonna be not good.
I have no issue with him sitting the 1st 1/2 of the year to acclimate - this season has unfolded pretty much the way we all expected, but had pleasant surprises as well that a lot of us never saw coming
I have no issue with him sitting the 1st 1/2 of the year to acclimate - this season has unfolded pretty much the way we all expected, but had pleasant surprises as well that a lot of us never saw coming
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:52 am to saints5021
Rattler was given an opportunity to make his case as a starter and the Saints needed to do their due diligence on him.
Shough needed an opportunity to acclimate, learn the system, practice, observe the starting QB and personnel, and finally start with a new coaches system starting to gel.
It worked out like the new coaches envisioned it happening. The business plan is being executed to ensure future success.
Shough needed an opportunity to acclimate, learn the system, practice, observe the starting QB and personnel, and finally start with a new coaches system starting to gel.
It worked out like the new coaches envisioned it happening. The business plan is being executed to ensure future success.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:55 pm to BigTigerJoe
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Rattler was given an opportunity to make his case as a starter and the Saints needed to do their due diligence on him.
Like Shough, Rattler had to learn an entirely new system with new HC and OC. HE was thrown into the fire to start. Slowly the machine becomes oiled through the season. More familiarity of the system permeates the team.
Shough is inserted with a little familiarity and appears to live up to expectations CKM had of him.
It's a win/win.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:09 pm to saints5021
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Saints would be at least 6-8 if they started Shough and ditched Groupe earlier
Not with the way the team played early on.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:29 pm to saintsfan1977
Rattler is not an NFL caliber QB. Don’t know what took them so long to figure that out
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:34 pm to moock blackjack
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moock blackjack
Rattler is not an NFL caliber QB. Don’t know what took them so long to figure that out
He's a good backup. And if Shough was ready day one, he starts. He wasn't ready or Moore wanted a top 10 draft spot.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:43 pm to saints5021
I am unsure what they saw in preseason that put Rat on top to start. I'd think TS could have handled the start of the season on maybe a harder schedule, despite what others think.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:44 pm to saintsfan1977
did you lose a bet or something?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:02 pm to LooseCannon22282
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did you lose a bet or something?
No. I didn't play this year. I will next year though. I have pretty good information I'm gathering for next year.
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