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Why have Offensive Minded Coaches Struggled So Much When Moving to Sought After Jobs
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:04 pm
Offensive minded head coaches have had rough runs recently when switching schools for an SEC job, with one large exception being Urban Meyer. Sumlin, BK, Jimbo Fisher, Mullen were all highly regarded and all failed when moving to more sought after jobs in the SEC. Other coaches outside the SEC have struggled when moving from decent sized jobs to bigger jobs. Chris Petersen, Tom Herman, and Kiffin when he left TN, were hot commodities that failed when they left for bigger schools. Even Chip Kelly and Spurrier were never the same when they came back from the NFL. Lincoln Riley has not had the success everyone expected when leaving for USC. Why has the transition been so difficult?
ETA: I am excited we are getting Kiffin. He is a lot of fun and I am looking forward to it. But it does not change the fact that offensive coaches have failed miserably when transitioning to big jobs for the last decade.
ETA: I am excited we are getting Kiffin. He is a lot of fun and I am looking forward to it. But it does not change the fact that offensive coaches have failed miserably when transitioning to big jobs for the last decade.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 1:52 pm
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Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:07 pm to go ta hell ole miss
Is this the best you could come up with? 
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:11 pm to go ta hell ole miss
Kiffin is the best of all of em and it’s not even close. He’s special. Which you are aware of.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:11 pm to go ta hell ole miss
A lot of times the success is QB dependent. They almost will always have 1 great QB that really helps them ascend within the profession. Some will even have 2, or at least glimpses of success with a 2nd one.
The really great ones churn out great offenses over multiple QBs.
The really great ones churn out great offenses over multiple QBs.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:13 pm to saint tiger225
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Is this the best you could come up with?
This response tells me you don’t have a response.
I am excited to be getting Kiffin, but there is a trend of offensive coaches struggling when transitioning.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:17 pm to IntenseKid
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Kiffin is the best of all of em and it’s not even close.
Being better than all of them is not what we are paying $174 million + for (Kiffin, plus BK buyout, plus NIL). We are expecting Saban style winning with this investment.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:18 pm to go ta hell ole miss
Lay off the copium
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:19 pm to Lester Earl
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A lot of times the success is QB dependent. They almost will always have 1 great QB that really helps them ascend within the profession. Some will even have 2, or at least glimpses of success with a 2nd one.
Very good points. Makes it more head scratching that Lincoln Riley has not succeeded at USC because he was the QB whisperer. Kiffin has proven he can turn average QBs into good QBs, so he may transition better.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:31 pm to ColtTiger247
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Lay off the copium
Why would I be on copium?
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:33 pm to go ta hell ole miss
You’re not getting through to anybody. We’re not not reading that shite baw. Move on
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:38 pm to TXTiger81
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You’re not getting through to anybody. We’re not not reading that shite baw. Move on
TLDR, offensive coaches have failed miserably when transitioning to big jobs for the last decade. Why?
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:50 pm to go ta hell ole miss
What was the point of this dumbass post? You know the major difference between everybody, but one person you listed and Kiffin? None of them went from one SEC team to another. Only Dan Mullen in that group has, and his downfall was not being able to recruit. That's not a problem Kiffin will ever have here.
And to look at Dan Mullen in review. Mullen came in and his first two years was 10-3 and 11-2. His 3rd season they fell apart during the covid run at the end, but one of the losses was because of a dumb kid throwing a shoe (he would have beat LSU to be 9-3), and the bowl loss was because he had all top 4 pass catchers opt out (would have been 10-2). That's in a season with no cupcakes.
Kiffin already has done it at Ole Miss. Do you not understand what he will do at LSU?
And to look at Dan Mullen in review. Mullen came in and his first two years was 10-3 and 11-2. His 3rd season they fell apart during the covid run at the end, but one of the losses was because of a dumb kid throwing a shoe (he would have beat LSU to be 9-3), and the bowl loss was because he had all top 4 pass catchers opt out (would have been 10-2). That's in a season with no cupcakes.
Kiffin already has done it at Ole Miss. Do you not understand what he will do at LSU?
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 11/30/25 at 2:06 pm to go ta hell ole miss
Sumlin was predominantly a defensive guy not an offensive guy. He lost his OC in Kingsbury. Same as while he was at UH with Holgerson. He had great offenses, but it wasn’t because of him but his hires running the show.
Jimbo refused to adapt and that was his issue.
Mullen was a great HC if recruiting wasn’t an issue, but he didn’t care for recruiting and didn’t prioritize it enough, which is what ended his tenure at UF. He was always a good play caller both at MSU and UF.
Peterson didn’t fail, he took UW to a conference title and CFP appearance.
Herman failed because he wasn’t able to handle the UT boosters. They found a guy in Sark that knows how to handle them.
Kiffin went to USC and they immediately got hit with the sanctions for the Reggie Bush stuff when he got there. Still won his division in year two and finished #6 in the country. The sanctions just took their effect and the team faltered over time.
In the end, each had specific reasons for failure. It’s not something new.
Lincoln Riley simply is t a program builder. He can sustain things that are already built, but cannot build things up himself.
Jimbo refused to adapt and that was his issue.
Mullen was a great HC if recruiting wasn’t an issue, but he didn’t care for recruiting and didn’t prioritize it enough, which is what ended his tenure at UF. He was always a good play caller both at MSU and UF.
Peterson didn’t fail, he took UW to a conference title and CFP appearance.
Herman failed because he wasn’t able to handle the UT boosters. They found a guy in Sark that knows how to handle them.
Kiffin went to USC and they immediately got hit with the sanctions for the Reggie Bush stuff when he got there. Still won his division in year two and finished #6 in the country. The sanctions just took their effect and the team faltered over time.
In the end, each had specific reasons for failure. It’s not something new.
Lincoln Riley simply is t a program builder. He can sustain things that are already built, but cannot build things up himself.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 3:54 pm to Geauxgurt
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Sumlin was predominantly a defensive guy not an offensive guy.
Sumlin coached offense or offensive positions his entire career.
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Peterson didn’t fail, he took UW to a conference title and CFP appearance.
55-26 with 34-20 conference record. Similar numbers and accomplishments to Brian Kelly and left after an 8-5 season. Petersen and Kelly were not failures, I guess. That was perhaps too harsh.
If Kiffin goes 55-26/34-20 with no playoff wins, I will consider him to have failed us.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 11/30/25 at 3:58 pm to go ta hell ole miss
Didn’t read…have another blind down vote!
Posted on 11/30/25 at 4:00 pm to Tigris Christi
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Didn’t read…have another blind down vote!
I was not expecting people like you to respond. Just those with a moderately reasonable attention span and a small level of objectivity need apply. Keep posting about cucks. That is more your wheelhouse.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 11/30/25 at 4:12 pm to go ta hell ole miss
You have to have the right coaches with you. Had Kelly been able to keep Denbrock, brought Marcus Freeman and retained most of Ed O’s coaching staff, he would be a national championship winner by now.
I get your overall point and you may be right.
Having guys like Myles Brennan and Nuss under center will get you fired. Fielding an offensive line that can’t block should get you banned from coaching.
I get your overall point and you may be right.
Having guys like Myles Brennan and Nuss under center will get you fired. Fielding an offensive line that can’t block should get you banned from coaching.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 5:48 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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we are paying $174 million + for (Kiffin, plus BK buyout, plus NIL).
Your math is way off - it’s $90M(LK salary) + $53M (BK buyout) + $25M X 7 (NIL budget guarantee PER YEAR for 7yrs)…
90+53+175=$318 million
Posted on 11/30/25 at 6:12 pm to go ta hell ole miss
A&M was Sumlin first P5 job. He was also 20-6 in his first two yrs which was also A&Ms first two yrs in the SEC. He did not call plays nor carry a play sheet.
Mullen was 29-6 during his third year at Florida before the wheels fell off.
Kelly had not been involved in any offense design/play calling since 2014. Like Sumlin, he did not call plays or carry a playsheet.
Jimbo was the outlier. In hindsight, Jamies Winston made him tens of millions of dollars. That said, he won 26 games in his first 3 yrs.
So, 3 of the five you mentioned were actually involved with offense and two of those were highly successful.
Mullen was 29-6 during his third year at Florida before the wheels fell off.
Kelly had not been involved in any offense design/play calling since 2014. Like Sumlin, he did not call plays or carry a playsheet.
Jimbo was the outlier. In hindsight, Jamies Winston made him tens of millions of dollars. That said, he won 26 games in his first 3 yrs.
So, 3 of the five you mentioned were actually involved with offense and two of those were highly successful.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 6:14 pm to go ta hell ole miss
Wnat about Spurrier from Duke to UF?
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