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Thrive, And The EBR Library System

Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:02 pm
Posted by ronniep1
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
619 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 11:02 pm
Because of thoughts and opinions in another post about the failure of Thrive and the Library System, I'd like to offer my own take, I retired from the Library's Business Office in 2023, and I'm a current member of the Library Board of Control.

Some, I know, will disagree with me, but that's okay. I'm not immune to constructive criticism and I welcome reasoned disagreement.

This will be much longer than a majority of posts, but I'll do my best to keep explanations and reasons brief.

Yes, the Library does have a large fund balance (retained earnings for any financial accounting types), with a primary reason being outcomes such as the one that happened Saturday night. The library keeps one year of operating expenses in advance, or "in the bank" to ensure the continuity of operations. Without this reserve, the EBR Library System would, for all practical purposes, close on December 31. However, with the fund balance that is already in place, the Library Board will remain open in 2026, and will go back to citizens with a new proposal that will hopefully be more acceptable to the voting public.

With that said, this library system has NO DEBT. You won't find any bonds (loans) issued for the purpose of building, renovating, or operating this system. Every building or improvement is financed on a "pay-as-you-go" method. On the day a new building opens, or is rededicated after a renovation, that building is fully paid and is debt free. Regarding future construction (new or additional buildings), one relocation/rebuild is currently planned for the Delmont Gardens Branch, and one new, smaller, "satellite branch" will be erected if/when a planned multi-use/multi-purpose development at the old Earl K Long hospital site is launched.

If you are the parent or guardian of teen or college-aged students, chances are they have used, or will use, one of the library's study rooms that allow them to come together to prepare for an exam, work on a group project, etc.

Sticking with the study rooms, those branches that do not currently have them are on a schedule for renovation, and study rooms added, based on an oldest-to-newest schedule. Just as the way we use or live in our homes has changed over time, so too are the ways we use libraries, and what we expect of them. Chances are, you may have grown up in a house with a separate living room, dining room, and kitchen. Now, though, at least according to the shows I've seen on HGTV, everyone seems to want open concept arrangements. Likewise, the library system is doing its best to keep up with changing times and expectations.

Some branches have added, or will add, "maker spaces," rooms or areas in which patrons, from young to old, can learn sewing, computer programming, robotics, and other hobbies and skills without requiring an initial investment in equipment. it's not totally free, as patrons are required to pay for robotic and Arduino kits, as well as materials used in 3-D prints, but they are spared the initial cost of sewing machines, computer hardware, 3-D printers, etc. Besides spreading knowledge, information, and free instruction, consider this a "try it before you buy it" program. If you don't care for it you're under no obligation to continue, or to watch items/equipment you no longer use gathering dust in some part of your house.

If you have a family member or friend in a nursing home, that loved one receives visits from the library's Outreach Division, allowing those individuals opportunities to check out the same materials available to those us who are younger and still self-sufficient.

For decades, the EBR Library has been much more than a book depository. Patrons can check out CD's, DVD's, magazines, games, and even works of art.

In addition to these tangible items, the library allows patrons to check out e-books for playback on a computer, tablet, phone, or other device. Current online magazines, identical to those in print, can be accessed if you don't wish to spend your money on a subscription.

Also, the library has many databases the public can use, some of which would be quite expensive for individuals to purchase or access individually. Want to check out your ancestry or heritage? The library has a subscription to Ancestry.com that is freely available to all patrons. Are you interested in the precise wording of a certain law or statute, or how it might apply to you? The library has a subscription to West Law. Would you like information regarding your vehicle to make an informed decision on perhaps tackling a repair or maintenance job yourself? Take a look at the extensive Chilton's repair manuals that are available. Want to help your teen pass their driving test and earn a license? Practice tests are freely available. These are only a sample of the online information or services which are available to patrons. In addition, homework help is available online for students from kindergarten through twelfth grade.

The library, whether in person, virtually, or livestreaming, hosts a variety of authors, business leaders, and other interesting people each month. A recent series from attorneys included discussions on bankruptcy, child custody and visitation, interdictions and guardianships, and wills, estates, and trusts. In person appearances are recorded and archived, and practically all of the virtual/livestreamed talks or sessions are stored for reference or future use/information as well.

The library hosts game nights (or days) for groups of all ages. Because of concerns that we're all too "wrapped up in our individual devices and/or interests," people can and do come together for a chance to interact with others, learn new games, and play old favorites.

Though I can't say "all," a vast majority of groups and clubs can freely book and use meeting rooms located at their closest library branch. HOA meeting for your subdivision? Sure. Hunting or fishing club meeting? Again, yes. That doesn't mean that (fictional) "ABC Multi-Level-Marketing Company" can book a room to entice people to join or become customers, but nearly all non profit, or not-for-profit groups can hold a meeting at a branch based on a meeting room's availability.

When the Library Board first planned and discussed this election and renewal of a property tax millage, the board intended to ask the public to approve a millage rate of 10.5. A month or so later, when Mayor Edwards and his Thrive supporters got involved, the rate went back to 11.1 mills, the rate which voters approved in 2015. So while technically Mayor Edwards asked voters to "approve the same rate as before," it WAS slightly higher than that which the Library Board had hoped to present to the public. Whether or not 0.6 mills is germane to your budget, I suppose, depends on your individual finances, but for the purposes of transparency, this was the board's plan.

For 40 years, when unencumbered with any other part of City-Parish government, voters graciously approved the millage rates and tax proposed by the Library Board of Control. Next year, perhaps as soon as the spring, and speaking as only one member of this board, I hope voters will have the opportunity to continue the library's secure and steady funding with "no strings attached." That is, without combining or tying the library's operations to, or with, other portions of City-Parish government.

Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
13364 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 12:11 am to
What abut that White Elephant they built down time that's mostly just a toilet for the bums to use and watch their porn?
Posted by ronniep1
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
619 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 12:42 am to
1. If "bums" are watching porn downtown, it is not at the library, as there are filters in place to prevent that content from being accessed using the library's internet/wifi service.

2. Homelessness is not just a library problem. Homeless individuals populate multiple places in the downtown area. It is a problem which is beyond the size and scope of the library system to solve alone.

3. Whether an individual is homeless by circumstance, or by willful choice, the library system did not create the condition(s) that lead to those individuals being homeless.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
42545 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 12:52 am to
quote:

Some, I know, will disagree with me, but that's okay. I'm not immune to constructive criticism and I welcome reasoned disagreement.


What kind of horseshite is this?!?!?
Posted by Bubb
Member since Mar 2010
4204 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 12:58 am to
I think the point of that post was that most of the patrons of the downtown library are homeless people, as there was not a big enough need to justify the outrageous building costs, and ongoing operating expenses, but hey, it's always fun to waste other people's money.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 12:59 am
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
13364 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 1:47 am to
quote:

3. Whether an individual is homeless by circumstance, or by willful choice, the library system did not create the condition(s) that lead to those individuals being homeless.


Yeah? Well then what was wrong with the old library?
Now the BUMS have a brand spanking new $20 million dollar toilet.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 7:35 am
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
6028 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 1:52 am to
quote:

speaking as only one member of this board, I hope voters will have the opportunity to continue the library's secure and steady funding with "no strings attached." That is, without combining or tying the library's operations to, or with, other portions of City-Parish government.


So why in the hell did the library support THRIVE then? They wanted to steal $50M+ from your piggy bank and take part of your yearly funds for the next 10 years.

Why didn’t you tell them no?

On one hand you asked us for support them to take your money and then on the other, now after it’s shot down, you ask us for support to renew it when it’s put on the ballot again but this time for the full amount.

If it’s so important, so lofty of a mission, so critical,

WHY DID YOU SUPPORT THE THEFT OF YOUR FUNDS?
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 2:01 am
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
6028 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 1:54 am to
Nvm. I don’t want to distract from an answer to my question above.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 1:56 am
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
64745 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 5:08 am to
Is your post available in audio book format? afaf
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
5048 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 6:57 am to
The library system is relatively well managed and I don't think anyone really argues against that point.

The issue is that the library system is heavily over funded and extremely underutilized. The parish keeps heaping money onto a product with comparatively few customers.

We probably shouldn't even bother arguing about the issue of the modern uses you listed being just another form of welfare.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41607 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:05 am to
quote:

The issue is that the library system is heavily over funded and extremely underutilized. The parish keeps heaping money onto a product with comparatively few customers.


The issue is can our tax dollars go to more important things not that that we don’t need good libraries.

They go over the top because they can. Evidence of this was the Downtown branch.

Hopefully they ask us for another renewal it will be about half of what they just asked for.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
6838 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:06 am to
Your post is above the level of reading and reason of most users on this site.
Posted by Complete Linebacking
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2004
1052 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:13 am to
I appreciate your post and perspective.

Respectfully, I will continue to vote “No” on any continuing or additional taxation. I am not confident in the government being a good steward of the public’s money and feel I can make better decisions with my own earnings than the city/parish can. While the library does provide some nice services, I feel those services are generally underutilized and, therefore, not a good use of taxpayer funds.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
6838 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:17 am to
quote:

I will continue to vote “No” on any continuing or additional taxation


You are voting to have no services, congrats. Taxes fund basic city services. This is civilization 101.

quote:

While the library does provide some nice services, I feel those services are generally underutilized


You have no idea on the services they provide, who uses them, and their value to the community.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17569 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:25 am to
Agreed, that should never have been built, most would have agreed at the time - and most still do. Big time waste of money there, I think that more than anything else doomed Thrive from the start.

I think they tried everything to get it passed, put in on a non-election ballot to insure low turnout, bundled it with a couple of other items that it was perceived would help - but I honestly believe the stench from the IMHO and most people's opinion, the waste of money on the big downtown facility, compromised this from jump.
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
7277 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:35 am to
quote:

The issue is that the library system is heavily over funded and extremely underutilized.


This is the core issue.

Shift revenue stream to a user model. Most funding should be self-generated from memberships.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
6838 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:41 am to
quote:

Shift revenue stream to a user model. Most funding should be self-generated from memberships.


Libraries are publically funded entities that better communities by giving everyone access to books, computers, tools. They are not private clubs.
Posted by Kenna City Solja
America’s City
Member since Nov 2025
65 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:41 am to
quote:

You have no idea on the services they provide, who uses them, and their value to the community.

Well, the voters have spoken, and they apparently felt like the services they were receiving didn't justify the costs

I wish people were this passionate about finding ways to cut spending instead of trying to justify it
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
5048 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:56 am to
quote:


Libraries are publically funded entities that better communities by giving everyone access to books, computers, tools. They are not private clubs.



Sounds nice, doesn't work.

I bet there isn't a single person in EBR without a cellphone unless it's by choice. Homeless people and underprivileged youths have phones. They literally hold all of humanity's total information in their goddamn pockets. Tell me what great good they do with it that should make me want to also pay for their to have these things at the library too.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29620 posts
Posted on 11/17/25 at 8:02 am to
quote:

When the Library Board first planned and discussed this election and renewal of a property tax millage, the board intended to ask the public to approve a millage rate of 10.5. A month or so later, when Mayor Edwards and his Thrive supporters got involved, the rate went back to 11.1 mills, the rate which voters approved in 2015. So while technically Mayor Edwards asked voters to "approve the same rate as before," it WAS slightly higher than that which the Library Board had hoped to present to the public.



But what you agreed to in Thrive was that you could operate at 8.3 mills, and with $52.4M less in your fund balance.

Why would anyone vote for 10.5 mills in the future if you've already told us you can operate at 8.3?

I will gladly vote yes for a renewal at 8.3 or less. Anything above that and you're getting a no vote from me.
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