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For Those Here Who Hate Trump, Yet Also Claim to Despise the Dem Party Agenda, Tell Me...

Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:25 am
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
45567 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:25 am
....who or what you're looking for. Are you wanting to return to the days of Establishment Republicans like Bush, McCain, Romney, Ryan, McConnell, etc?

Or, is it that you want a political outsider for President who isn't part of the corrupt Political Establishment, but you want it to be somebody other than Trump? If so, who would it be?

Hopefully we can have a substantive conversation about this, because I honestly have no idea what exactly some of you are looking for.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463653 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:27 am to
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who or what you're looking for.


Smaller government. Less government power at the state and local level.

Cutting federal spending at a meaningful level to deal with our debt.

Returning our rights to their former strength and dismantling the Police State.

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Are you wanting to return to the days of Establishment Republicans like Bush, McCain, Romney, Ryan, McConnell, etc?

Or, is it that you want a political outsider for President who isn't part of the corrupt Political Establishment, but you want it to be somebody other than Trump? If so, who would it be?

Why can you only conceptualize politics in terms of politicians?

Policy is what matters.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33753 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:27 am to


These are people who care more about decorum, than policy.

Trump could cut their taxes in half, but they would be against it if it meant mean tweets
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
14221 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:29 am to
I want someone who's America first with foreign issues way down the list. America first means not bringing in millions of immigrants legally or allowing illegals to stay. It means fighting crime so that cities and working individuals can thrive and not struggle. It means being responsible and not wasting the tax dollars you took from the people who earned it.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33753 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:29 am to
But no national politician has ever delivered those things, from either party.

Trump does a lot of things I like and a lot of things I don't, and doesn't do a lot of things I think he should.

But he's better than any republican president we've had, at least since Reagan and maybe including him.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463653 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:31 am to
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But no national politician has ever delivered those things, from either party.


That's specifically why I asked him why he can only see these things through politicians and not policy.

Politicians suck. Being a groupie to a politician is terrible.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33753 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:35 am to
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Politicians suck. Being a groupie to a politician is terrible.


Agreed. I only care about policy.

Politicians, especially at the statewide or national level, are narcissists at best and sociopaths at worst.

You just have to hope it's a sociopath that pretends to agree with issues you are for.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
45567 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:36 am to
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That's specifically why I asked him why he can only see these things through politicians and not policy.


Here you go again, ascribing something to me that is false. I mentioned both policy (Democrat agenda).and the neocon wing of the Republican Party.

Why do you always have to be a condescending a-hole? I gave you an opportunity in this thread to craft your answer any way you chose to do so. But,.as always, making everything personal with another poster is your standard response.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170140 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:38 am to
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Or, is it that you want a political outsider for President who isn't part of the corrupt Political Establishment, but you want it to be somebody other than Trump? If so, who would it be?


At this point, I don't think you can consider him an outsider though.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
7588 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:38 am to
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Smaller government. Less government power at the state and local level.

Cutting federal spending at a meaningful level to deal with our debt.

Returning our rights to their former strength and dismantling the Police State.


You tell us how you would do all that with this Congress and this electorate.

Remember, Trump is holding tight on the government shutdown, the dems have voted against opening up 15 or so times, and Trump apparently STILL gets blamed for it.

How would your eloquence and statesmanship work through that?
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
25890 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:40 am to
I don't hate Trump, I just feel like I haven't gotten what I voted for

He ran as Pat Buchanan and campaigned on great ideas going onto podcasts instead of traditional outlets but has governed like John McCain, continuing Bidens foreign policy and not addressing the frustrations of those of us who want America First
Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
91 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:42 am to
Trump is literally doing all of these things…

And to everyone saying stop focusing on foreign policy - it’s possible to walk and chew gum at the same time. I know that’s a hard concept for some people.
Posted by goldennugget
NIL Ruined College Sports
Member since Jul 2013
25890 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:42 am to
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I want someone who's America first with foreign issues way down the list. America first means not bringing in millions of immigrants legally or allowing illegals to stay. It means fighting crime so that cities and working individuals can thrive and not struggle. It means being responsible and not wasting the tax dollars you took from the people who earned it.


The easiest America First thing Trump could do is end H1B and other foreign work visas. Could do it today. Doesn't need congressional approval. Would be wildly popular especially among the younger voter crowd

If he cant do that how can he do anything else America First?
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
10677 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:44 am to
There is absolutely ZERO difference between people who have TDS and TWS (Trump Worshiping Syndrome) they are the exact same person just on the other side of a coin. Both groups are a bunch of idiots.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292683 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:47 am to
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..who or what you're looking for


A fiscal conservative.

The same thing MAGA members wanted prior to 2016.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292683 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:48 am to
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And to everyone saying stop focusing on foreign policy - it’s possible to walk and chew gum at the same time.


Well he needs to do one or the other, because this aint working.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 10:49 am
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34551 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:49 am to
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Why can you only conceptualize politics in terms of politicians? Policy is what matters.


I’ve been on here long enough to appreciate the rich irony here.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
7588 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:50 am to
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A fiscal conservative.

The same thing MAGA members wanted prior to 2016.


Maybe you can tell us how your definition of a "fiscal conservative" would first get elected and then actually accomplish anything with this Congress and this Electorate.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
10411 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:51 am to
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24161 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:51 am to
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who or what you're looking for.


Vance or RDS
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