Finding an OC from the Veer ‘N’ Shoot Tree

moneys will just as soon fly out of your butt than get this type of creativity on offense at LSU

which is crazy to say with kelly's history with offense

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Brian Kelly's Cincinnati offense was characterized by an imaginative, explosive, and fast-paced approach that focused on spreading the ball and attacking vertically. This philosophy was often described as a "genius" and "imaginative" system that, even with a revolving door of quarterbacks, was able to rank highly in the BIG EAST, demonstrating a focus on offensive innovation. It differed from more conservative or "ground and pound" styles and was seen as a model for Kelly's subsequent offenses at other programs.
Key characteristics of the Cincinnati offense

Innovative and imaginative: The offense was known for being creative and ahead of its time, even when forced to adapt to various circumstances, such as using five different quarterbacks in 2008.
Explosive and fast-paced: Kelly's philosophy at Cincinnati was focused on an aggressive, attacking style that prioritized tempo and vertical passing.

Spread the ball: The offense was designed to spread the ball to playmakers and use multiple formations to exploit mismatches.

Highly productive: Despite facing defensive challenges, the offense was highly productive, ranking second in the BIG EAST in 2008, showcasing its potential even without a stable quarterback situation.
A contrast to conservative styles: The Cincinnati offense was seen as a departure from more conservative or "ground and pound" offenses, with a greater emphasis on aggression and tempo

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We ran the veer in high school, Dear Ole MHS, and if I remember correctly, blocking assignments were 1) On, 2) Over, 3) Play side, 4) Back side.

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Good ole Rodney Corkern. Thought he was Vince Lombardi.

This is the antithesis of BK's offense at LSU. Antiquated, non creative and boring is the best way to describe BK's offense at LSU.

Weve had 3 weeks of posts saying to stop doing RPOs because the lineman don’t want to fire off the ball and nuss can’t read them to now wanting to change to an inverted veer.




Rant in a nutshell

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Uh, 2023 did actually happen.

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Jayden Daniels actually happened.

Inverted veer and veer and shoot are not the same thing. Inverted veer is a play….

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Inverted veer and veer and shoot are not the same thing

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You are advocating revolving an entire offense around what we don’t do well



You want to change QBs to run it I’m game.

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Texas Tech has the No. 1 offense in the country Mack Leftwich’s blend of Air Raid and Veer-and-Shoot is averaging 320 passing and 230 rushing a game. Tennessee’s ranked 4th, putting up 317 passing and 210 rushing. Ole Miss sits at 5th, averaging 311 passing and 204 rushing with Kiffin mixing it in with his spread rpo heavy system. Old Dominion’s 12th, around 250 through the air and 238 on the ground.

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You had better find an elite talent evaluator, because most of the offenses that run VnS have a hard time landing top talent across the board without overpaying. Players and their handlers know this offense does not do a good job of preparing players for the NFL. There’s a real history there, with UT’s former QB Hendon Hooker the latest notable flameout from that system. Detroit cut him this offseason because he never could pick up an NFL offense.

This alone isn’t a reason to not run the VnS in college, but it should be a consideration since it will be used as a negative recruiting tool when NIL money is equal. Look at that list. The only major program besides Tennessee is Ole Miss, and Kiffin only uses bits and pieces. There are reasons for that, both on the field and in recruiting.

Tennessee- let’s be honest- it’s been feast or famine for them on offense the last 4 years. They may be having a good season currently, but they were very up and down over the last two. It should also be noted that they have tempered their hard-core approach to the VnS this season, moderating the ultra wide splits and adding wrinkles from different systems. Again, there are reasons for that.

A school like State is going to embrace an offense like this for obvious reasons, same as they did with Leach and his offense, because most of the SEC doesn’t run it. They are looking for an advantage in not doing what most of the rest of the conference is. They also need a system that doesn’t require elite talent to be effective.

We don’t HAVE to do that. We can simply upgrade the system we have with a better OC and a more consistent QB to be effective on offense without the downsides that legitimately come with running a system like the VnS.