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Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:12 pm
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23479 posts
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:12 pm
Please pretend it’s 2021 and re educate me.
Whats the point of buying the acquisition company prior to the merger?
Is there any advantage/disadvantage?

The one I have in mind:
quote:

Merlin to Go Public via Business Combination with Inflection Point-led SPAC as Leading Defense Prime Contractor for AI in Aviation

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Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
2863 posts
Posted on 10/6/25 at 9:24 pm to
I’ve invested in a couple SPACS, basically the price hovers around $10 pre merger then post merger it can go either way. If it’s a legit company it will be fine, but depending on the hype around the stock it can get pumped pretty hard and leave lots of bag holders

Fundamentally speaking it’s basically a short cut for a company to take their company public. The SPAC has done all the regulatory work
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 9:26 pm
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3811 posts
Posted on 10/6/25 at 10:11 pm to
Only invest what willing to throw away..

Basics.. you find some rumors of guys investing in them and follow their leads…,
I followed theil.. seible.. gates etc..

They will be putting money into funds with friends on things they like.. you invest in the fund managers more than the specific spac..look at things you think have growth..

You invest and the price is 10 dollars.. you are investing in an idea and guys and rumors that they are making a deal with someone you think is going to be great.. but it is not set in stone.. it could end up being an entirely different thing they finally decide to fund and go spac with.. so people are buying the idea ( spac name) and it get hot you can go up quickly.. but then die just as quick..ie they announce the deal and you find out instead of AI they decided to go with a coal company .

You can sell and try to make money on that…. Buy the idea early.. and if gets popular sell to late lookers. If they fall apart and can not get a deal made after a set time they close the fund … you get your ten dollars back plus a little interest…they tend to die or rocket very quickly.. if they go up not unusual for them to die on the vine later.. after spac guys made their money and the actual company has to show true business value.

Ok.. now warrants.. you buy these and they are like buying they right to purchase the stocks later.. these are usually what people like to flip more

Then restricted warrants.. extremely risky.. you give them some money and HOPE they make a deal.. if not you lost it all..

I played a lot of spacs.. lost on most.. unfortunately the ones I thought were solid died(lucid etc)… went super risky on a few ( got bitdeer for 1.16— I think it is 20 now)…

But I bought some real stinkers!!!.. my plan was cast a wide net.. figure most would die but a few would take off..

As a bucket I am positive.. and I view theses as unicorns.. I hope I have a few Netflix.. apple.. etc in there that when my kids look in twenty years they smile.

I moved them all into a Roth IRA a year back when they were waaay down.. the Roth has more than doubled since I moved them.

It is complicated .. risky.

Fwiw I picked up archer and Joby as spacs.. lost a bunch on them and actually added later when they were down as companies.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 10:27 pm
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12264 posts
Posted on 10/6/25 at 10:57 pm to
BB - I have a lot to add to this on SPACS - but I'm tied up on a family road trip for the next few days - I will book market and provide some info towards the end of the week -
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32656 posts
Posted on 10/7/25 at 4:21 am to
SPACs have the potential to give retail buyers the type of advantage that the big banks have in buying IPOs. You can get the company at a safe price point with potential for big profits. 2021 made a bad name for SPACs, as the end quality of the companies turned out to be extremely low, which is why they went SPAC instead of IPO.

The quality of companies IPOing appears better this time around. This time we’re seeing lots of companies in high flying speculative industries that have a chance. I’m in GSRT, HOND, and GIG, all SPACs merging with nuclear SMR companies. All nuclear is speculative, but all three have extremely small valuations compared to OKLO/SMR, so they can make you big profits just on being early. I’m also in CCCX, merging with a quantum computing company like IONQ. CCCX notably had been considered as good of quality as IONQ and much better than the RGTI/QUBT type quantum companies until their valuations shot through the roof. But as part of the SPAC valuation, I’m buying CCCX for pennies on the dollar compared to IONQ
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23479 posts
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:04 am to
So when the de spac happens with CCCX it doesn’t automatically have to go down to $10/share?

I just saw the Citron note on CCCX and I want in, but $17 already?!
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
32258 posts
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:14 am to
Once there is positive news on the SPAC and it seems likely the new company will go public, the price can increase well above the $10. The $10 is just the threshold if nothing happens after 2 years typically, that the money has to be returned. and of course once public, it can go well below $10 too under the new company
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3811 posts
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:54 am to
No does not have to go down.. usually at de spac it will pop higher… unless they way overpay for the company. Or changed companies the spac fund decided to invest in… both can happen and do… flippers will dump .. take profit.. long term guys will keep …. Now it is a company and initially people expect investment money burn… but it needs to have a solid business plan.. management and growth…

Look at some old spacs.. Joby.. archer.. lucid… grab… pull up their historical price.

Fwiw.. I had circle as a spac but it never got going and closed…could not get the deal finalized .. then it did an ipo three years later … nothing is set in stone.
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 8:13 am
Posted by whodatigahbait
Uptown
Member since Oct 2007
1833 posts
Posted on 10/7/25 at 10:34 am to
quote:


Fundamentally speaking it’s basically a short cut for a company to take their company public. The SPAC has done all the regulatory work


This is false.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32656 posts
Posted on 10/7/25 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

So when the de spac happens with CCCX it doesn’t automatically have to go down to $10/share?

Nope. $10 is just the minimum until the redemption period ends a few days before despac. But the stock never needs to go to $10, it’s just a safety net

quote:

I just saw the Citron note on CCCX and I want in, but $17 already?!

Yep. It’s still incredibly incredibly cheap compared to IONQ, and IONQ is its closest comparison. I bought some at $14 and averaged up at $16 yesterday. About to hit $19
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51293 posts
Posted on 10/7/25 at 3:11 pm to
I SPAC uses M&A to get around the conventional IPO process. its particularly useful for high-growth companies because you aren't allowed by the SEC to talk about future projections when IPOing a company
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32656 posts
Posted on 10/7/25 at 7:08 pm to
SPACs I’m in currently:

Nuclear reactors:
GSRT
HOND
GIG

Quantum computing:
CCCX

Note: GSRT becomes NKLR tomorrow 10/8
Posted by Odinson
Asgard
Member since Apr 2014
2852 posts
Posted on 10/7/25 at 9:23 pm to
I’m in ETHM. First time I’ve seen the ticker change prior to despac
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2849 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 6:44 am to
SPACS are beneficial to the the SPAC creator. They are at the front of the line with respect to returns. Unlike IPOs, there’s little to no information for a retail investor to do due diligence. In most cases you’re probably better off buying the company after listing once the price drops.
Posted by whodatigahbait
Uptown
Member since Oct 2007
1833 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 9:46 am to
quote:

SPACS are beneficial to the the SPAC creator. They are at the front of the line with respect to returns.


Also not true, a LOT of people have lost a lot of money sponsoring SPACs that liquidate and can't get a deal done.

Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51293 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 10:31 am to
quote:

SPACS are beneficial to the the SPAC creator


The economics and incentives for the SPAC creator are borderline criminal
Posted by whodatigahbait
Uptown
Member since Oct 2007
1833 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 11:04 am to
quote:

quote:
SPACS are beneficial to the the SPAC creator


The economics and incentives for the SPAC creator are borderline criminal


How so? Sponsor capital is fully at risk.

IPO investors have an absolute right to get their money back - NO MATTER WHAT.
Posted by lsuconnman
Baton rouge
Member since Feb 2007
4423 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 11:16 am to
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How so? Sponsor capital is fully at risk. IPO investors have an absolute right to get their money back - NO MATTER WHAT.


Sponsor’s get warrants and promotional shares. Look up SPAC Jesus as the perfect example.

The great thing about a SPAC, is you can invest in something boring like a flooring company with little chance for growth. Overnight is has the freedom to change course and become the industry leader for Web3 cross border payments.
Posted by whodatigahbait
Uptown
Member since Oct 2007
1833 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 11:23 am to
quote:


Sponsor’s get warrants and promotional shares. Look up SPAC Jesus as the perfect example.


I'm well aware of what SPAC sponsors get, I've followed SPACs since 2008, I've been a banker to SPACs (both IPO and de-SPAC), I've traded SPACs, lastly I was part of a SPAC sponsor group - where I received both warrants and founder (promote) shares that you mentioned.

My point is that while the returns to the sponsor can be high, they also incur a ton of risk via their capital to form and operate the SPAC.

Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32656 posts
Posted on 10/8/25 at 11:28 am to
I agree with you, SPACs are much less rigged and anti-retail than IPOs. The IPO process is absolutely crooked and stacked in the banks’ favor. SPAC return to SPAC companies is generally tied to stock price performance, so they win when investors win. Plus the risk you mentioned of finding no quality merge companies
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