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NBA basketball preview on espn radio was going in deep on Pels
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:48 am
Posted on 10/4/25 at 10:48 am
Bottom coach, bottom gm, making fun of Weaver and how he ran Detroit into the ground.
Still couldn’t believe the trade for Queen. Said even if he turns out ok, was still a horrible trade value wise. Said we have to hope on a wing and prayer Zion stays healthy b/c we have nothing to look forward to. Lots of hard truths.
Only guy they shite on more was the Dallas gm lol.
Still couldn’t believe the trade for Queen. Said even if he turns out ok, was still a horrible trade value wise. Said we have to hope on a wing and prayer Zion stays healthy b/c we have nothing to look forward to. Lots of hard truths.
Only guy they shite on more was the Dallas gm lol.
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Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:00 pm to Townedrunkard
Unreal how so many people have platforms to spew idiocy. If Queen is a future all-star, then it was absolutely worth it to give up an unprotected 1st, especially if we are a playoff team this season. When Dumars made the deal, he knew what kind of shape Zion was in, which is something that nobody else knew at the time.
Lol at pretending that the absolute dumbest crap is a hard truth. People need to quit listening to the nattering nabobs of negativism.
Lol at pretending that the absolute dumbest crap is a hard truth. People need to quit listening to the nattering nabobs of negativism.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:11 pm to Townedrunkard
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Said we have to hope on a wing and prayer Zion stays healthy
Which team with a superstar player would be just fine if that player were injured? With the extraordinary shape that Zion is in, there's absolutely no reason to think that he is any more likely to be injured than any other NBA player.
Lol again at the "hard truths."
Posted on 10/4/25 at 12:42 pm to GOP_Tiger
The value argument makes no sense to me because the draft is so much of a crap shoot. The national media praised us for the "value" we got trading the 4th pick for the 8,16,30, and getting rid of Solomon Hill contract and we see how that turned out.
Like if Queen becomes an all star caliber player and the pick we traded lands in the top 5 but bust will value matter
Like if Queen becomes an all star caliber player and the pick we traded lands in the top 5 but bust will value matter
Posted on 10/4/25 at 2:45 pm to Townedrunkard
Sad truth and reality is we need Zion to stay healthy to be a play in team.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 2:50 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 10/4/25 at 3:21 pm to Townedrunkard
The truth hurts here in the offseason, but this is spot on analysis that will be proven out once the season starts.
Saints Talk was in denial all summer as well until the season started; then the most optimistic agreed it was a rebuild.
They all miss the point that Gayle is the ultimate failure permitting all the dysfunction being in over her head.
Saints Talk was in denial all summer as well until the season started; then the most optimistic agreed it was a rebuild.
They all miss the point that Gayle is the ultimate failure permitting all the dysfunction being in over her head.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 4:01 pm to GOP_Tiger
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If Queen is a future all-star, then it was absolutely worth it to give up an unprotected 1st, especially if we are a playoff team this season.
2 HUGE "ifs" to justify the trade, which is exactly why it was such a bad trade.
And you judge the trade at the time it's done, not with hindsight bias.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 4:02 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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The national media praised us for the "value" we got trading the 4th pick for the 8,16,30,
What?
I remember the exact opposite. The NBA draft isn't the NFL draft and those 2-for-1 trade downs are horrible value.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 4:08 pm to Townedrunkard
lol I would like to the see the record of the Thunder if:
-SGA Misses more than half of the season
-Jalen Williams misses more than half of the season
-Chet misses games
-Dort and Caruso miss games
-And one of there guards tear their Achilles
-SGA Misses more than half of the season
-Jalen Williams misses more than half of the season
-Chet misses games
-Dort and Caruso miss games
-And one of there guards tear their Achilles
Posted on 10/4/25 at 6:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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2 HUGE "ifs" to justify the trade, which is exactly why it was such a bad trade.
And you judge the trade at the time it's done, not with hindsight bias.
The argument articulated in the OP is that it will forever and ever be a bad trade, even if Derik Queen becomes an all-NBA player. If you agree with that, then you should just delete your account.
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And you judge the trade at the time it's done, not with hindsight bias.
But that's exactly what I'm pointing out: none of us were able to do that properly, because we lacked crucial information. So much of the objection came because we didn't put a top-4 protection on the pick, and a lot of league assumed that fat Zion would continue to be a poor defender and would inevitably get hurt again, because he's never been in shape, and there were decent odds that we would've ended up with a top-4 pick.
Now? No one who watched a minute of Zion on Friday morning thinks that the chances are very high that we would end up with a top-4 slot that we'd be giving to Atlanta.
Atlanta certainly didn't know about slim Zion. Do you think that Hawks fans were excited to see what Zion looks like right now?
The reports after the draft were that we had Fears at #5 and Queen at #6 on our draft board. If that's true, then the decision to move up to get Queen was the correct decision, because giving up next year's pick for the #6 player in the draft is the smart choice. Troy Weaver has scouted Derik Queen much more and knows him much better than we do. If Queen doesn't eventually turn out to be an NBA starter, then the problem was with our scouting and the decision to put him at #6 on our board.
But the trade itself was fine. I wasn't a fan of it at the time (though I wasn't a hater either), but the variety of Zion we're getting this season changes the calculus a lot, because it dramatically lowers the odds of our pick being high in the draft.
The trade is also good in that it signals to fans that they can buy season tickets without worrying that we're going to tank again. They can purchase with confidence that the team will be doing everything it can to win games, all the way to the end of the season. That's something that the fanbase needs.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:22 pm to GOP_Tiger
If Zion and Trey stay healthy, then the issue will be we used next year’s first in Queen instead of upgrading the center position. I am terrified that our center rotation will cost us way too many games this year.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:30 pm to ThePistol
You're being dramatic. We are fine with Looney, Missi, Queen and Matkovic.
It's not like last season where we went into the season with just Theis and a raw rookie in Missi who wasn't even expected to give you much. And with gleaguers like Jemison and played JRE at center during some lines up.
While the center rotation won't be the strength of the team, I think they're a lot more viable as a group than last season.
It's not like last season where we went into the season with just Theis and a raw rookie in Missi who wasn't even expected to give you much. And with gleaguers like Jemison and played JRE at center during some lines up.
While the center rotation won't be the strength of the team, I think they're a lot more viable as a group than last season.
This post was edited on 10/4/25 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 10/4/25 at 8:54 pm to supe12sta12z
The biggest reason that Griff deserved to lose his job was the center position last year. It was indefensible. Even if healthy, last season was doomed because we had the single worst center rotation in the league. This season, we are going into the season with a bottom 5 center rotation. That isn't going to get it done in the west. It is the single biggest issue with this team and why having that first round d pick would be huge.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Which team with a superstar player would be just fine if that player were injured?
Not sticking up for them, but from their point of view, what ‘superstar’ has missed the amount of games Zion has missed? And that’s what we hitched our wagon to on that probability.
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:43 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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The national media praised us for the "value" we got trading the 4th pick for the 8,16,30, and getting rid of Solomon Hill contract and we see how that turned out.
I don’t know what national media that was, but I shite all over that trade and what Griff did. I think most on this board did at the time. SFP said exactly what was said, this ain’t the NFL.
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 12:01 am
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:44 pm to Tank77
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lol I would like to the see the record of the Thunder if: -SGA Misses more than half of the season -Jalen Williams misses more than half of the season -Chet misses games -Dort and Caruso miss games -And one of there guards tear their Achilles
What’s the past history of SGA missing games? Is it similar to Zions past?
Posted on 10/4/25 at 11:54 pm to ThePistol
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The biggest reason that Griff deserved to lose his job was the center position last year
I’d say trading away the best defensive wing in basketball along with multiple first round picks in that trade was the bigger reason.
It’s the reason we have no first round picks next year….
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 12:02 am
Posted on 10/5/25 at 10:34 am to supe12sta12z
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You're being dramatic. We are fine with Looney, Missi, Queen and Matkovic.
This is a bottom five center rotation in the league. Queen doesn’t really play center, Missi could take a leap but I think he’s a rotation player at center in the NBA and Looney is basically washed. Warriors are my second team as I live in SF and we’re all so confused about what the Pelicans were thinking. If Looney didn’t have the relationships with Warriors he’d have been out of the league a few years ago.
I’m optimistic about the team but center will be a problem.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 12:11 pm to higgsBoson
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This is a bottom five center rotation in the league. Queen doesn’t really play center, Missi could take a leap but I think he’s a rotation player at center in the NBA and Looney is basically washed.
Looney is only 29! He's not some graybeard. If you watched Melbourne games, you'd see that that he is anything but washed. He's better than Missi, which is why he was starting.
And Missi is better than the version of him we got last season. You can see that he's clearly stronger, which should result in better defensive rebounding.
You are correct that Queen and Matkovic are not true centers, but they are definitely capable of playing the position if necessary. And I liked Hunter Dickinson's minutes in Melbourne. He's on a two-way right now, but I think that he eventually earns a standard NBA contract.
We do not have a bottom-5 center rotation.
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