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Joe Legal vs Joe Illegal
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:57 am
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:57 am
“Joe legal works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.
Ready?... now pay attention....
Joe legal: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose illegal: $15.00 an hour × 40 hours = $600.00 per week or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the State and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe legal spends $500.00 per month for food or $6,000.00 per year. Joe legal now has $18,031.00.
Jose illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays rent of 1,200.00 per month or $14,400.00 per year. Joe legal now has $9,631.00.
Jose illegal receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose illegal pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays $200.00 per month or $2,400.00 per year for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe legal now has $7,231.00.
Jose illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance."... and still has $31,000.00.
Joe legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline.. etc.
Jose illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline and what he sends out of the country every month....
Joe legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe legal's and Jose illegal's children both attend the same elementary school.
Joe legal pays for his children's lunches while...
Jose illegal's children get a government-sponsored lunch.
Jose illegal's children have an after school ESL program.
Joe legal's children go home.
Now, when they reach college age...
Joe legal's kids may not get into a State school and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State schools through his taxes, while...
Jose illegal's kids go to the, 'head of the class' because they are a minority.
Joe legal and Jose illegal both benefit from the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not.
Do you get it, now?
Jose illegal also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.
Ready?... now pay attention....
Joe legal: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose illegal: $15.00 an hour × 40 hours = $600.00 per week or $31,200.00 per year. Jose illegal pays no taxes. Jose illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the State and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe legal spends $500.00 per month for food or $6,000.00 per year. Joe legal now has $18,031.00.
Jose illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays rent of 1,200.00 per month or $14,400.00 per year. Joe legal now has $9,631.00.
Jose illegal receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose illegal pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe legal pays $200.00 per month or $2,400.00 per year for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe legal now has $7,231.00.
Jose illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance."... and still has $31,000.00.
Joe legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline.. etc.
Jose illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline and what he sends out of the country every month....
Joe legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe legal's and Jose illegal's children both attend the same elementary school.
Joe legal pays for his children's lunches while...
Jose illegal's children get a government-sponsored lunch.
Jose illegal's children have an after school ESL program.
Joe legal's children go home.
Now, when they reach college age...
Joe legal's kids may not get into a State school and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for State schools through his taxes, while...
Jose illegal's kids go to the, 'head of the class' because they are a minority.
Joe legal and Jose illegal both benefit from the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not.
Do you get it, now?
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:00 am to Winslow
And dems make that possible.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:01 am to Winslow
quote:
Joe legal: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
That's not how taxes work.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:05 am to MrSpock
quote:It's not? How long have you been working and paying taxes. I get close to 40% of my pay taken out each month...
That's not how taxes work.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:06 am to Winslow
Joe illegal has to deal with the cost of racism though
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:10 am to MrSpock
quote:
That's not how taxes work.
How do they work then?
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:13 am to MrSpock
quote:
That's not how taxes work.
You sound like you might be Jose here in this story with this insight
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:16 am to Winslow
quote:lol
Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:18 am to Winslow
quote:I'm pretty sure everything you said is wrong.
Do you get it, now?
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 8:20 am
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:20 am to Winslow
All of that is wrong. Joe Legal , married and with two kids, the take home after taxes (in Texas.. no income tax) is $50, 222, not $31,232 as you suggested. So start from there. Then use the tax rate for whatever state you are in has income tax..
But your whole premise is understandable, but you started off incorrect at the first in your assumption.
* How Grok broke it down
But your whole premise is understandable, but you started off incorrect at the first in your assumption.
* How Grok broke it down
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 8:41 am
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:26 am to HubbaBubba
Texas has no income tax?
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:36 am to Winslow
quote:Correct.
Texas has no income tax?
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:38 am to Winslow
quote:
Do you get it, now?
Absolutely. And some conservatives want to bring in more Indians and other Asians as if they're not getting breaks as well.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:40 am to HubbaBubba
No state income tax, Joe Legal still has to pay federal income tax...
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:46 am to HubbaBubba
So what's the percentage of taxes taken out in Texas.. Just a ballpark
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:50 am to Ozarkshillbilly
quote:
No state income tax, Joe Legal still has to pay federal income tax...
And Texas Property Tax.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:56 am to MrSpock
quote:
That's not how taxes work.
He definitely wouldn’t be paying that for income tax.
Income tax wouldn’t be more than 15% effective tax rate for Louisiana plus fed. For an individual filer. Even California it wouldn’t be 31%. Not even close.
If he’s married and his wife makes a lot more money than him, his rate could be around that.
His point still stands, though. Illegals get to skirt the system while we have to participate fully and it does make a difference.
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 9:01 am
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