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Let go of 30% of workforce yesterday.

Posted on 9/20/25 at 5:47 am
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11083 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 5:47 am
Sucks. Knowing what it does to families. All the money we invested in training. Good people and very low turnover. Management all took salary cuts.

We don’t see housing recovering until 2027. The Fed allowing rates to go so low for so long and huge price increases will take years to rebalance.

We are in the housing industry. Margins have been extremely low for a while with everyone fighting for the same business. Volume has been ok until now. We are experiencing another slowdown like we did in the fall of ‘23.

Apartment/rental has been keeping us afloat while single family housing has been 60% off the last three years. Now, more and more of the planned single neighborhoods are being bought as rental developments. This shift equates to more tract style pricing/purchaing and mentality.

Two things I predict are coming that aren’t good:

1-At least a 20% further swing toward more rental versus ownership. People simply can’t afford to buy and salaries aren’t going to match the huge price swing up Covid and Fed caused any time soon.

2-You will see “rental financing”. Financing of rent over a period of time which guarantees investors but is essentially the used car model for consumers. Don’t pay, they repo you and put you for collection then rent it again and collect another deposit.

There will have to be a reshaping of the entire mortage industry and the way equity firms invest in housing.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46539 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 5:54 am to
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2-You will see “rental financing”. Financing of rent over a period of time which guarantees investors but is essentially the used car model for consumers. Don’t pay, they repo you and put you for collection then rent it again and collect another deposit.


Is this not exactly what rent has always been?
Posted by liz18lsu
Naples, FL
Member since Feb 2009
17879 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 5:56 am to
I live in a weird bubble here in SWFL. Snowbirds with gobs of cash. During the COVID peak, they were buying at ridiculous prices. And the new construction keeps going, even now. Rental prices here are equivalent to the mortgage of a $500K home. Within a square mile of my home, they have built condos (only two-lane road access), a giant shopping center with condos, apartments, bars, restaurants, etc. I am all for more options, but "season" when the area quadruples in size was already bad enough.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
15091 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:00 am to
Same in the Raleigh, NC area.. just no snowbirds.
Posted by TheosDeddy
Member since May 2024
1055 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:02 am to
Im in central Florida in a "bubble" as well.

I think the Florida bubble will burst eventually when locals get fed up with prices and all move to flyover states and they have nobody to run the state for all the retirees that keep flocking down.
Posted by msu202020
Member since Feb 2011
4308 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:03 am to
So you are saying buy more rental properties?
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11083 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:04 am to
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Is this not exactly what rent has always been?


Yes and No. Headed toward actual loans toward the rent you contract for versus just a signed rental contract. Period of time will be longer. Obligations will be different. Owners of loans will be different. Greater ability to package/sell those loans as a financial product that operates different than short term renewable rent contract. Rental neighborhoods creating new financial products from what multifamily apartments offer.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15742 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:06 am to
As a renter (mostly do to moving a lot for work). It doesn’t make sense to purchase anything to not live in it but a few days a month
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58241 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:06 am to
You work for dsld or Horton?


Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11083 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:07 am to
quote:

So you are saying buy more rental properties?


There will be fewer for individual investors to get as a result. Get them while you can.
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11083 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:08 am to
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You work for dsld or Horton?


Truss and walls but they are both customers.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
102836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
45455 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:14 am to
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Headed toward actual loans toward the rent you contract for versus just a signed rental contract.


If you cannot afford the rent, how are you going to afford a loan plus the rent?

I don’t see the sustainability here.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15742 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:15 am to
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You work for dsld or Horton?


They are good for nothing other than rentals bc their properties will never appreciate. Oh, and build like shite
Posted by AlextheBodacious
Member since Oct 2020
3536 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:15 am to
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The Fed allowing rates to go so low for so long and huge price increases will take years to rebalance.

Yeah govt made issue. Industry never makes mistakes.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
6543 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:16 am to
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Rental neighborhoods creating new financial products from what multifamily apartments offer.


I’m as free market as they come, but the govt needs to step in here.
Some state needs to lead the way.

Home ownership is the keystone of the American dream, and it’s under attack.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
18919 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:17 am to
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2-You will see “rental financing”. Financing of rent over a period of time which guarantees investors but is essentially the used car model for consumers. Don’t pay, they repo you and put you for collection then rent it again and collect another deposit.


Is this basically "Your yearly rent is $xxx. You can pay the full amount or finance it over a year at XX% interest."?

Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58241 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:18 am to
America has enough housing once trump deports the mexicans and indians




these zoomers and millenials should take some tips from our greatest ally israel and get them a house in the ghetto and fix it up.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
10744 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:20 am to
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Truss and walls

True that trusses and walls are prefabbed offsite, then shipped in and installed in sections?
This post was edited on 9/20/25 at 6:21 am
Posted by Grnbud
Member since Jan 2025
207 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:23 am to
Pretty sharp way to handle a rental. You get your year’s worth of money up front from the bank or whoever is financing it. You lock your renters in for a fixed term, no surprises. Is it easier to evict them if they don’t pay?
Posted by indytiger
baton rouge/indy
Member since Oct 2004
10206 posts
Posted on 9/20/25 at 6:23 am to
Construction is hurting that bad? I've been talking to 3 reputable homebuilders about doing an addition and they all seem hungry for the work.
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