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Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:02 am
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:02 am
MoM CPI moved up .4 (est .3)
YoY CPI bumped up from holding steady at 2.7% for June and July to 2.9% in August.

Meanwhile, jobless claims increased to the highest level in 4 years.



Despite this, I still think we get .25 next week.
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 8:06 am
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:27 am to
This is my shocked face.

Nobody could have seen this coming. Nobody.

And yes, I agree a 25bps cut isn’t off the table even though it should be. The market has priced it in and the market doesn’t react well to surprises.

Not to mention all the pressure SVDTiger has been putting on Jerome Powell. Powell has read the expert analysis in those message board posts and is undoubtedly afraid to go against his demands to cut.
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:33 am to
Watch out Bard. Somebody might not like those numbers and have you fired.


But in all seriousness, I don’t think this is a surprise and I think we still get 25 bps. I also think we might see inflation over 3% before year end. Who knows what we do then.
Posted by topherbrown21
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:50 am to
If Fed cuts rates they are making it clear that it's because of political pressure and to please Wall Street.

Wall Street need rates to drop asap otherwise a large correction is probable. Market valuations and concentrations are insane right now
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:58 am to
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Despite this, I still think we get .25 next week.

I feel like this is probably what's going to happen, but I'm going to try and free up some cash for just in case.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4685 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:00 am to
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If Fed cuts rates they are making it clear that it's because of political pressure and to please Wall Street.


Meh, the jobs data that’s been coming out gives them cover. Not saying I agree with a cut, but to say it’s cowering to political pressure is not 100% correct, as the Fed is in a very tight spot.

Personally, I think it’s a fundamental flaw in the Fed’s “soft landing” BS. Jobs have to be lost, consumers have to spend less, and the economy has to slow to get inflation under control. IOW, you can’t tame inflation without economic pain.






Posted by topherbrown21
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:08 am to
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as the Fed is in a very tight spot


Yea seems like they are trapped.

Either accept stagflation or a recession. I don't see how both can be avoided
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:08 am to
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Despite this, I still think we get .25 next week.


Better be more than a .25%

Arent they using 3.6 for shelter when rents are 2.2?

So inflation is a lot lower
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:20 am to
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Personally, I think it’s a fundamental flaw in the Fed’s “soft landing” BS. Jobs have to be lost, consumers have to spend less, and the economy has to slow to get inflation under control. IOW, you can’t tame inflation without economic pain.


I'm wondering if that isn't the plan. We've been in a growth environment inflation-wise since April and last month saw us easing back up to just below 3%. Last year when rates were cut .5, we were in an environment where inflation's growth was shrinking (and had been since March 2024).

While the BLS revisions have been ridiculously bad, there was still positive job growth over the last 12 months (only 2 out of the 12 were negative).

So a .25 cut in this scenario should cause a similar increase in inflation, especially if that's followed up with the two extra cuts this year some are expecting.

I don't think any job growth from the cuts will be enough to balance for the increase in inflation.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:31 am to
Any idea what happened in Texas?

Seeing reports that the big surge in jobless claims was driven entirely by a bloodbath in TX data
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
15788 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:33 am to
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Despite this, I still think we get .25 next week.


I think we will too despite inflation running above the target 2% annual rate.

I’m guessing this is the hope of the stock market too as we see new highs weekly.

If no cut, I would expect some sort of sell off
Posted by IMSA_Fan
Member since Jul 2024
561 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 9:54 am to
No idea what is happening in Texas. My guess is they are seeing a major contraction in their economy driven by aggressive deportation.

When you deport someone, your economy shrinks by the amount of output they produce. Thus, if you deport 500k people that produce economic output of $50k each your economy shrinks by $25B
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 9:55 am
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4685 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:06 am to
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I don't think any job growth from the cuts will be enough to balance for the increase in inflation.


It's pretty humorous to see those promoting a rate cut as some sort of panacea, cure-all for the economic malaise we seem to be in currently.

A .25 cut won't do a damn thing other than juice the market some that is already baking a rate cut.

We all know what is really hindering this economy - it's that magic money.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2858 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:06 am to
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SVDTiger


“Too Late is a U.S. American who can’t read a graph because most U.S. Americans don’t have graphs like South Africa and the Iraq and like everywhere such as. He needs to help the Iraq to cut rates and build up our future.”
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:15 am to
What caused this inflation "spike" in the report

Break it down for us
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:34 am to
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Better be more than a .25%


Last year's .5 cut, in an shrinking inflationary environment jumped inflation up ~.6% by January. Granted, that was kept moving by two more cuts before the end of the year, but that turnaround happened the very next month after the .5 cut.

Doing that in our current environment where inflation has already been growing would likely mean

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Arent they using 3.6 for shelter when rents are 2.2?


Removing Shelter from the equation entirely puts CPI at 2.3%, which is what it was for July as well. The greater context though is that CPI sans Shelter has been growing every month since at least March through July. When we had the .5 cut last year, it was the opposite in that the same statistic had been dropping every month since at least March of that year (2.34% in March 2024 to 1.09% in August 2024).

Cutting rates by .25 is already going to push inflation up, cutting by .5 would drive it up further and faster than what we saw last year.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:36 am to
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Cutting rates by .25 is already going to push inflation up, cutting by .5 would drive it up further and faster than what we saw last year.


This is just ridiculous and wrong as always

Besides OER, airline tix and used cars everything else was .06
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 11:20 am to
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This is just ridiculous and wrong as always


Like how inflation wouldn't come back after last year's .5 cut?
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4685 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 11:45 am to
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Not to mention all the pressure SVDTiger has been putting on Jerome Powell. Powell has read the expert analysis in those message board posts and is undoubtedly afraid to go against his demands to cut


How did I miss this on the first reading?
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
1415 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 11:53 am to
I believe the real question is, how many cuts this year. 2 or 3?
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