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Old 401K into IRA to Roth

Posted on 9/5/25 at 7:24 am
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 9/5/25 at 7:24 am
Yesterday at our work summit, our finance guy was telling me you can roll over your old 401k into IRA.
That will let you backdoor all the IRA into Roth by paying taxes when rolling.

He said there is no limit to rolling from IRA to Roth.

Is this correct?
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71486 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 7:50 am to
Do you have any traditional IRA money already out there? If so, pro-rata rule will include that in your tax basis for the conversion to roth. Be careful there
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
18892 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 8:16 am to
Yes. That is correct.

Not knowing anything else about your present financial processes, 2 points of consideration:

1. "Taxable Amount: The amount converted is added to your taxable income for the year, which may push you into a higher tax bracket."

Potential solution is to convert portions of the IRA in an annual method. The tax code is extremely favorable currently, even into the 22-24% tax arena.

2. Pay closer attention:

"Five-Year Rule: Withdrawals of converted funds within five years may incur a 10% penalty if you are under age 59½."

And this:
You must wait five years from the date of conversion to withdraw converted contributions without penalty, regardless of your age.
If you are over 59½, you can withdraw the converted contributions without penalty after the five-year period.

This can be confusing!
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 8:22 am
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2893 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 8:28 am to
What you are describing is simply a Roth conversion not a backdoor Roth.
Pro rata isnt really an issue since you are converting pre tax traditional 401k/IRA to Roth so entire balance is taxable at conversion.

Pro rata is an issue for backdoor Roth where you contribute non deductible to traditional IRA (due to being over Roth income limits) and immediately convert to Roth IRA w no tax unless you have prexisting traditional IRAs triggering pro rata.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40154 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

You must wait five years from the date of conversion to withdraw converted contributions without penalty, regardless of your age. If you are over 59½, you can withdraw the converted contributions without penalty after the five-year period.


Not exactly correct

If over 59.5, you can distribute Roth without penalty once you have had a Roth IRA for 5 years.


So if you convert into an old Roth and are older than 59.5 you might be fine from the jump

quote:

This can be confusing!


Oh yes.
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
4489 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 1:13 pm to
I'm 42. If I'm reading this correctly, the only thing that I need to consider is if the amount I'm converting from 401k into traditional IRA and then from traditional IRA into Roth will push me into next tax bracket.

Is this separate from the tax I'm going to pay for the amount that I'm moving to Roth since it wasn't taxed prior in 401K?

I still have 20 years before I touch this money.

I already have traditional IRA. I contributed my 7K for this year during the tariffs and moved into Roth. I did this for both my wife and me
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 1:17 pm
Posted by Tigerstark
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Member since Aug 2011
6837 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 2:32 pm to
Yes you can rollover from 401k and convert ira to Roth. But you pay taxes on the conversion.

Just know that is completely separate from a back door Roth which is a way of making your annual IRA contribution Roth instead of pretax if you make too much money for Roth ira contributions. Those are very separate concepts.
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1577 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 6:41 pm to
quote:

Is this correct?


Yes that's correct; it's not a backdoor. It's called a "roth conversion". This is another reason why I think a trad 401k is better than a roth 401k especially if you are in peak earning years.

Because with a trad 401k, you still have the option to do the roth conversion later. Ideally you do this when you retire early (or low income years) before taking SS/pension. This lets you pay lower taxes than if you had done a roth 401k at the start. If you do a roth 401k, you've locked in taxes and there is no other option.

Also roth conversions count toward minimum eligibly income for ACA insurance if you're looking to retire before 65. Fyi some states require a minimum amount of income to get an ACA plan; otherwise you have to go Medicaid or private insurance.

https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Roth_conversion

quote:

I'm 42. If I'm reading this correctly, the only thing that I need to consider is if the amount I'm converting from 401k into traditional IRA and then from traditional IRA into Roth will push me into next tax bracket.

Is this separate from the tax I'm going to pay for the amount that I'm moving to Roth since it wasn't taxed prior in 401K?


The roth conversion is just treated as additional income. The conversion amount will be taxed at the marginal income rate.
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
4489 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:04 pm to
Thank you. There is lot of good info. It sounds like a harder decision to make than I thought. I'm definitely blessed right now with good earnings. I might pay higher tax rate if I do it now.
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 10:06 pm
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
18892 posts
Posted on 9/6/25 at 9:08 am to
quote:

If I'm reading this correctly, the only thing that I need to consider is if the amount I'm converting from 401k into traditional IRA and then from traditional IRA into Roth will push me into next tax bracket.

Is this separate from the tax I'm going to pay for the amount that I'm moving to Roth since it wasn't taxed prior in 401K?


Transferring your account balance from a 401(k) account directly to a Traditional IRA account is not taxable.

Transferring (ie. CONVERTING) a 401(k) account balance OR a Traditional IRA account balance to a Roth IRA account will invite income taxes to be calculated on the converted amount.

The converted amount is added to your gross income at tax filing time, and an income tax is due. Thus, a conversion over time could be more beneficial if it keeps your income from jumping into a higher tax bracket.
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