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Fly - spend more on rod or reel?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:56 am
I'm getting better at fly fishing and considering upgrading from my discount gear to some American-made gear. I've already got a Galvan reel that gets good reviews and seems to be well made.
I hear some old timers give advice: spend your money on the reel, the rod is secondary. And then some others are the opposite: the reel doens't do the work like the rod, spend money on the rod first.
I know this is subjective but what does the board think? Spend bigger money on rod or reel? Or even it out?
I hear some old timers give advice: spend your money on the reel, the rod is secondary. And then some others are the opposite: the reel doens't do the work like the rod, spend money on the rod first.
I know this is subjective but what does the board think? Spend bigger money on rod or reel? Or even it out?
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:00 am to tadman
Fly fishing,I say spend money on the rod.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:15 am to tadman
maybe it depends on what you are fishing for. I mostly fish for trout in the mountains, and I don't let it get to the reel very often unless its a big one, usually just stripping the line in. Maybe bigger saltwater fish the reel would matter more. But for what I am doing I would spend more on the rod.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:23 am to tadman
If you want a really high end setup for saltwater, you will spend money on both but likely more on the rod. Most of the top of the line rod offerings these days exceed $1000 (IE Scott Sector, Loomis Asquith, T&T Sextant, Sage Salt, etc.). Likewise, most of the top end reels will be at least $600 (Nautilus, Tibor, Abel SDS, etc.). Once you start customizing the reels they get more expensive.
There are plenty of "mid" level rods that will be in the $500-700 range and whether you'll be able to tell the difference between one of those and a $1000+ rod is something only you can answer. TFO's new Moment rod seems to be well-received and it's backed up by their awesome warranty program.
There are plenty of "mid" level rods that will be in the $500-700 range and whether you'll be able to tell the difference between one of those and a $1000+ rod is something only you can answer. TFO's new Moment rod seems to be well-received and it's backed up by their awesome warranty program.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 10:38 am to tadman
Freshwater, I'd say spend more on the rod.
Saltwater, I'd say spend more on the reel.
This is a generalization and specific circumstances would likely change this, but if you are starting out, that's what I'd tell you.
Saltwater, I'd say spend more on the reel.
This is a generalization and specific circumstances would likely change this, but if you are starting out, that's what I'd tell you.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:08 am to tadman
Buy the best quality rod you can afford.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:41 am to tadman
5wt and under - spend more on the rod. The reel is basically just a spool of line.
8wt and over - spend more on the reel with a good drag
6/7wt - toss up
8wt and over - spend more on the reel with a good drag
6/7wt - toss up
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:21 pm to tadman
freshwater list from most important to least
LINE
rod
reel
Spend the money on top tier scientific angler line with a good backing.
LINE
rod
reel
Spend the money on top tier scientific angler line with a good backing.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:34 pm to tadman
The rod and its not really close. The rod is the whole thing that makes it all work when fly fishing. Reel doesn't do shite for casting and most times doesn't even do shite on retrieving.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 8/25/25 at 1:54 pm to TopWaterTiger
As others have said, it depends on your use case.
I will say that only a few people hit on what I think is the MOST important expense and gives the best bang for the buck: the line. Huge difference between a cheap line and a high quality line in perfomance yet a pretty small difference ($60 bucks plus/minus) in price.
The main time that a reel will be important in freshwater is if you are targeting large trout (or possibly carp) with small tippet (5X or 6X) in which case a smooth drag may make a difference between landing the fish or brekaing it off.
In saltwater, you need to make sure that you have a reel that's suitable for the salt (sealed drag and corrosion-resistant materials), otherwise it's going to be trash pretty quickly after a few uses.
I will say that only a few people hit on what I think is the MOST important expense and gives the best bang for the buck: the line. Huge difference between a cheap line and a high quality line in perfomance yet a pretty small difference ($60 bucks plus/minus) in price.
The main time that a reel will be important in freshwater is if you are targeting large trout (or possibly carp) with small tippet (5X or 6X) in which case a smooth drag may make a difference between landing the fish or brekaing it off.
In saltwater, you need to make sure that you have a reel that's suitable for the salt (sealed drag and corrosion-resistant materials), otherwise it's going to be trash pretty quickly after a few uses.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:08 pm to hogfly
I feel like good fly line is a given if you're buying a high end fly setup. I don't know too many folks that have $40 line on $1800 setups.
I also think the whole sealed drag debate is a little overblown. I've seen multiple sealed drag systems fail because of salt exposure. Tibor's cork drags have also been holding up to extreme saltwater exposure for decades. I'd rather have a cork drag system that I could disassemble and work on if I were on some month long excursion in some far away place.
That being said, I've had great luck with the Nautilus NVG drag system over the years. I've had to send a couple of my reels back to Nautilus for maintenance, but they were always quick about it and I've never had any major issues.
A good drag system is really helpful when dealing with very fast saltwater fish, especially if you're trying to catch them on lighter tippet for whatever reason. I'd much rather have a high end reel on a multi week DIY bonefish trip than a $150 bass pro reel made in China.
I also think the whole sealed drag debate is a little overblown. I've seen multiple sealed drag systems fail because of salt exposure. Tibor's cork drags have also been holding up to extreme saltwater exposure for decades. I'd rather have a cork drag system that I could disassemble and work on if I were on some month long excursion in some far away place.
That being said, I've had great luck with the Nautilus NVG drag system over the years. I've had to send a couple of my reels back to Nautilus for maintenance, but they were always quick about it and I've never had any major issues.
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Reel doesn't do shite for casting and most times doesn't even do shite on retrieving.
A good drag system is really helpful when dealing with very fast saltwater fish, especially if you're trying to catch them on lighter tippet for whatever reason. I'd much rather have a high end reel on a multi week DIY bonefish trip than a $150 bass pro reel made in China.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 8/25/25 at 2:38 pm to bluemoons
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A good drag system is really helpful when dealing with very fast saltwater fish, especially if you're trying to catch them on lighter tippet for whatever reason. I'd much rather have a high end reel on a multi week DIY bonefish trip than a $150 bass pro reel made in China.
I don't disagree here either. But again the rod is the catalyst that makes it all happen.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 3:24 pm to tadman
Depends what you're fishing for. Fishing for bigger/quicker saltwater fish then the reel is more important than if you're bluelining for trout.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 4:56 pm to tadman
Rod, unless you are talking about Tarpon or billfish and larger fish and then eerything has to be top notch and expensive.
Saltwater fishing is slightly different....rods are important because its often necessary to throw big baits in a good wind a long way....and redfish and snook and jacks can smoke a fly reel without a decent drag.
If you are talking freshwater and not stripers or steel head or salmon the rod is definitely what matters....and the line, if you are trout fishing...and the tippet. If you are talking about bass and bream a cane pole with no reel and a level floating line with no reel at all will work as good as a $2000 rod and reel....
Saltwater fishing is slightly different....rods are important because its often necessary to throw big baits in a good wind a long way....and redfish and snook and jacks can smoke a fly reel without a decent drag.
If you are talking freshwater and not stripers or steel head or salmon the rod is definitely what matters....and the line, if you are trout fishing...and the tippet. If you are talking about bass and bream a cane pole with no reel and a level floating line with no reel at all will work as good as a $2000 rod and reel....
Posted on 8/25/25 at 5:05 pm to bluemoons
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A good drag system is really helpful when dealing with very fast saltwater fish, especially if you're trying to catch them on lighter tippet for whatever reason. I'd much rather have a high end reel on a multi week DIY bonefish trip than a $150 bass pro reel made in China.
a $150 chinese made BPS reel is plenty good enough for bonefish....trying to double haul a mantis shrimp in a 20 MPH breeze 100 feet or more to spooky arse bone fish or permit with an inadequate rod would be enough to make a man take drunk....hard enough to do with a adequate rod. I have an Okuma 8 weight reel on a TFO 7/8 rod that I can double haul 120-30 feet and have caught so many 3-7 pound bonefish it ought to be illegal....and never once worried about the reel that I paid about $50 for 20 years ago. I have had the occasional snook put a whupping on that reel though....but only 20 pounders, 5-15 are no problem. I have caught 50 pound tarpon on it but it is undersized for all but baby tarpon....
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:31 pm to AwgustaDawg
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a $150 chinese made BPS reel is plenty good enough for bonefish
Sure it is, but any prolonged exposure to saltwater is going to toast that reel. So will dropping it in the water and leaving it for 2 minutes while you're pulling your food or drinks out of your pack after wading for miles.
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trying to double haul a mantis shrimp in a 20 MPH breeze 100 feet or more to spooky arse bone fish or permit with an inadequate rod would be enough to make a man take drunk
You're not doing that drunk or sober.
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I can double haul 120-30 feet and have caught so many 3-7 pound bonefish it ought to be illegal.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:50 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I can double haul 120-30 feet
I bet you think strippers like you too.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 7:26 pm to tadman
What kind of gear are you looking for? Fresh/Salt? Weight? If you know what you need you can always find great used gear on ebay.
The rod also needs to fit your casting style. Some rods are made to be fast, and others slow. There's a huge difference with the type of water you will be fishing.
To me the rod is key. Give me a great rod and an old Pflueger Reel and I'll land anything. Use your palm for extra drag if needed.
I love the old Fenwick glass rods for fresh and Sage graphite rods for fresh/salt.
The rod also needs to fit your casting style. Some rods are made to be fast, and others slow. There's a huge difference with the type of water you will be fishing.
To me the rod is key. Give me a great rod and an old Pflueger Reel and I'll land anything. Use your palm for extra drag if needed.
I love the old Fenwick glass rods for fresh and Sage graphite rods for fresh/salt.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 8/25/25 at 8:02 pm to tadman
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I've already got a Galvan reel that gets good reviews and seems to be well made
So really you're just looking to get into a rod? What are you targeting
I say this on every fly fishing thread but scour FB marketplace and Ebay for lightly used gear. A lot of people buy a badarse 8wt combo for a bonefish trip or two and leave it in a closet afterwards before selling it.
Posted on 8/25/25 at 9:04 pm to Saskwatch
My son is a marketplace and eBay guru. The stuff he’s gotten off there makes me want to get all new gear (I bought all my stuff 20 years ago). People must just get out of the sport completely and ditch all their gear. One exampld; he got a sweet Orvis chest pack for 60 bucks which isn’t a bad price but came with Dr. Slick nippers and hemostats, like 5 leaders, 6 tippet spools, some of it flourocarbon, and 3 fully stocked fly boxes as well as some other random stuff like a sinking leader. I was like,,, dude just got outfitted better than me for 60 bucks. I can’t walk out of the fly shop to restock tying materials and grab a few items for a trip for less than that.
This post was edited on 8/25/25 at 9:06 pm
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