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Rookie QB's struggle. Shough is no different.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:01 pm
Temper your expectations gents even most of the greats struggled their rookie year. Peyton, Brady, Elway, Marino the list goes on and on.
Unless you are a human cheat code like Jayden Daniels there is a learning curve.
Unless you are a human cheat code like Jayden Daniels there is a learning curve.
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Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:18 pm to MaxxPain2
I'm confused. Has anyone truly had high expectations this year for Shough?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:19 pm to MaxxPain2
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Temper your expectations gents even most of the greats struggled their rookie year. Peyton, Brady, Elway, Marino the list goes on and on.
Marino only started half the season, but he still made the pro bowl and was second team all-NFL his rookie year.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:19 pm to MaxxPain2
And all of those guys, except for Brady, were All Americans in college. And Brady won the Super Bowl in year 2.
So just imagine what the learning curve might be for the 5th-6th best QB in the ACC?
So just imagine what the learning curve might be for the 5th-6th best QB in the ACC?
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:28 pm to MaxxPain2
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Rookie QB's struggle. Shough is no different.
But the selling point was supposed to be that he was mature and ready to play. I've come to grips with it so I won't bitch incessantly about it like some others but they probably should've used 40 elsewhere, especially since it's entirely possible both Shough and Rattler are total afterthoughts by late April 2026.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:38 pm to MaxxPain2
Rookies that end up being good/great QBs usually flash during their rookie year even if they make mistakes.
If a rookie flashes elite talent, it almost doesn't matter what the ultimate performance is.
Rattler last year really didn't get anything going. That's not necessarily the end of his story, but there was not much from last year that would indicate success moving forward. That's yet to come...or won't come at all.
If a rookie flashes elite talent, it almost doesn't matter what the ultimate performance is.
Rattler last year really didn't get anything going. That's not necessarily the end of his story, but there was not much from last year that would indicate success moving forward. That's yet to come...or won't come at all.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:39 pm to Alt26
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So just imagine what the learning curve might be for the 5th-6th best QB in the ACC?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:40 pm to MaxxPain2
The odds are none of our QBs are good enough to be long term starters. Our roster is riddle with below average talent. The little talent we have is aging fast.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:43 pm to MaxxPain2
Tyler just sucks stop with the excuses. If Saints drafted Shedeur you all would be calling for him to be cut.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 3:51 pm to NOLA1128
Only the screamers declaration of "Everyone".
Posted on 8/5/25 at 4:14 pm to Kool Kaliper
We all know why you brought up Dieon’s baby boy…..
Posted on 8/5/25 at 4:21 pm to Alt26
Sometimes it just takes time
Josh Allen
Rookie season (2018): 10 TD, 12 INT, 52.8 completion percentage, 5-6
record as starter
Dan Fouts
Rookie season (1973): 6 TD, 13 INT, 44.8 completion percentage,
0-5-1 record as starter
Steve Young
Rookie season (1985): 3 TD, 8 INT, 52.2 completion percentage, 1-4
record as starter
John Elway
Rookie season (1983): 7 TD, 14 INT, 47.5 completion percentage, 4-6
record as starter
Troy Aikman
Rookie season (1989): 9 TD, 18 INT, 52.9 completion percentage, 0-11
record as starter
Josh Allen
Rookie season (2018): 10 TD, 12 INT, 52.8 completion percentage, 5-6
record as starter
Dan Fouts
Rookie season (1973): 6 TD, 13 INT, 44.8 completion percentage,
0-5-1 record as starter
Steve Young
Rookie season (1985): 3 TD, 8 INT, 52.2 completion percentage, 1-4
record as starter
John Elway
Rookie season (1983): 7 TD, 14 INT, 47.5 completion percentage, 4-6
record as starter
Troy Aikman
Rookie season (1989): 9 TD, 18 INT, 52.9 completion percentage, 0-11
record as starter
Posted on 8/5/25 at 4:30 pm to Kool Kaliper
Both QBs are unbeaten at this point. What are you foaming at the mouth about?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 4:37 pm to saintsfan22
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but they probably should've used 40 elsewhere, especially since it's entirely possible both Shough and Rattler are total afterthoughts by late April 2026.
It’s becoming clearer by the day that they shoujd have picked someone else. I said this was why it was stupid drafting him at his age. He was going to struggle with the speed of the game as a rookie no matter what.
So you won’t know exactly what you have with him until next year. Problem is, if we suck this year and pick high, do you want to pass up a top tier qb prospect to give Shough a fair shot next year? If so we just blew a top 40 pick that could be starting somewhere else.
This post was edited on 8/5/25 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 8/5/25 at 4:40 pm to MaxxPain2
My expectations were that we wasted a pick and he sucks. I might be right
Posted on 8/5/25 at 4:43 pm to Kool Kaliper
quote:
Tyler just sucks stop with the excuses. If Saints drafted Shedeur you all would be calling for him to be cut.
Your brain is broken, irreparably
Posted on 8/5/25 at 4:45 pm to Townedrunkard
Why you state as a fact we won't know about Tyler till next year is amazing.
So tell us all why Tyler is not going to start any games this year?
So tell us all why Tyler is not going to start any games this year?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 5:01 pm to ddbnsb
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Sometimes it just takes time
It can. But other than Allen, the other guys you listed were from a much different era of football. Rookies QBs are entering the league more advanced and more game ready than ever. Often times, the good ones are flashing pretty quickly...even if they aren't finished products. See Burrow, Herbert, Lawrence, Stroud, Daniels, even Nix to some degree. The compare them with guys like Lance, Fields, Jones, Wilson, Pickett, Richardson, who didn't show many signs early and still haven't done anything of note in their careers.
I hope Shough is the best QB the Saints have ever had. But I just don't see it with 7 years of college and only 1 year of marginally good production. I think he's a guy that got pushed up the board because of a weak QB class and the Saints were a team that desperately needs a QB.
Posted on 8/5/25 at 5:15 pm to goatmilker
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Why you state as a fact we won't know about Tyler till next year is amazing. So tell us all why Tyler is not going to start any games this year?
You can’t judge a qb on his rookie year, so you really don’t know what you have until at least his 2nd year.
Brees even got benched and had his replacement drafted his first couple years.
So if he doesn’t start this year or sucks when he does, what do you do about next year? Draft another qb high?
Posted on 8/5/25 at 5:42 pm to moneyg
I wouldn't say there is nothing there from rattler. That Washington game showed that he is capable of getting his team back into a game.
When I think of lost causes I think of someone like an Ian Book that just had nothing there. Rattler can rally a team at least
When I think of lost causes I think of someone like an Ian Book that just had nothing there. Rattler can rally a team at least
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