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A Push for More Organ Transplants Is Putting Donors at Risk
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:33 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:33 am
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People across the United States have endured rushed or premature attempts to remove their organs. Some were gasping, crying or showing other signs of life.
Last spring at a small Alabama hospital, a team of transplant surgeons prepared to cut into Misty Hawkins. The clock was ticking. Her organs wouldn’t be usable for much longer.
Days earlier, she had been a vibrant 42-year-old with a playful sense of humor and a love for the Thunder Beach Motorcycle Rally. But after Ms. Hawkins choked while eating and fell into a coma, her mother decided to take her off life support and donate her organs. She was removed from a ventilator and, after 103 minutes, declared dead.
A surgeon made an incision in her chest and sawed through her breastbone.
That’s when the doctors discovered her heart was beating. She appeared to be breathing. They were slicing into Ms. Hawkins while she was alive.
Across the United States, an intricate system of hospitals, doctors and nonprofit donation coordinators carries out tens of thousands of lifesaving transplants each year. At every step, it relies on carefully calibrated protocols to protect both donors and recipients.
But in recent years, as the system has pushed to increase transplants, a growing number of patients have endured premature or bungled attempts to retrieve their organs. Though Ms. Hawkins’s case is an extreme example of what can go wrong, a New York Times examination revealed a pattern of rushed decision-making that has prioritized the need for more organs over the safety of potential donors.
In New Mexico, a woman was subjected to days of preparation for donation, even after her family said that she seemed to be regaining consciousness, which she eventually did. In Florida, a man cried and bit on his breathing tube but was still withdrawn from life support. In West Virginia, doctors were appalled when coordinators asked a paralyzed man coming off sedatives in an operating room for consent to remove his organs.
Stories like these have emerged as the transplant system has increasingly turned to a type of organ removal called donation after circulatory death. It accounted for a third of all donations last year: about 20,000 organs, triple the number from five years earlier.
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Fifty-five medical workers in 19 states told The Times they had witnessed at least one disturbing case of donation after circulatory death.
Workers in several states said they had seen coordinators persuading hospital clinicians to administer morphine, propofol and other drugs to hasten the death of potential donors.
“I think these types of problems are happening much more than we know,” said Dr. Wade Smith, a longtime neurologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who frequently evaluates potential donors and has studied donation after circulatory death.
A recent federal investigation — prompted by the case of a Kentucky man whose organs were pursued even as he shook his head and drew his knees to his chest — found that the state’s procurement organization had ignored signs of increasing consciousness in 73 potential donors.
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Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:35 am to 4cubbies
Maybe this is a hoax like you think Trump’s assassination attempt was a hoax
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:35 am to 4cubbies
I am a donor on my license, but I have always wondered if they do stuff like this.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:38 am to 4cubbies
That is one of my biggest fears and is why I adamantly state that I am not an organ donor.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:41 am to 4cubbies
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the state’s procurement organization had ignored signs of increasing consciousness
This must be difficult for you, knowing how dedicated your are to government control of every facet of life.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:42 am to nes2010
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Her mother, Faye Johnson, raced to the hospital from her job at a car dealership. Doctors said Ms. Hawkins would never again breathe on her own and gave her mother 72 hours to decide whether to move her to a nursing home or withdraw life support. Ms. Johnson did not want her daughter to suffer. She asked about organ donation, she said, because she wanted some good to come of the tragedy.
Alabama’s procurement organization, Legacy of Hope, coordinated the donation. It ran tests, chose recipients and arranged for an outside company, TransMedics, to send surgeons to remove the organs.
Ms. Hawkins was wheeled to an operating room. Her family said a final goodbye.
Flowers Hospital is a Level III trauma center, meaning it lacks some of the capabilities of larger institutions. It rarely handles circulatory death donation, data shows. Ms. Hawkins was one of just three attempts last year.
In the operating room, a hospital doctor took Ms. Hawkins off the ventilator and gave her drugs for comfort. The doctor declared her dead 103 minutes later, near the outer limit of organ viability.
The surgeons entered the room. They began operating after a five-minute waiting period. All circulatory death donations require a waiting period to ensure the heart does not restart.
Almost immediately, they saw Ms. Hawkins’s heart moving. Records reviewed by The Times characterized the movement differently: Legacy of Hope called it “reanimation,” as did Flowers, which also said the heart “fluttered.” An H.H.S. review of the case said the heart was beating strongly enough to pump blood through the body.
Records from the procurement organization also noted “subsequent gasping respirations,” a type of breathing.
Ms. Johnson was on her way home when she received a call from Legacy of Hope. A coordinator said her daughter’s organs had not been used, but did not tell her what had happened. Nor did Flowers. Ms. Johnson learned the details from The Times more than a year later.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:43 am to jrodLSUke
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knowing how dedicated your are to government control of every facet of life.
Example?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:44 am to 4cubbies
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Example?
your posting history
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:44 am to 4cubbies
I said this in a thread a month or so ago. Organ procurement is evil. Organ transplants can save a life, but i personally would have a hard time knowing my ‘donated’ organ actually came from murder.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 8:45 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:46 am to RohanGonzales
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your posting history
That you don’t know how to access?
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 8:47 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:47 am to 4cubbies
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A Push for More Organ Transplants Is Putting Donors at Risk
Good thing we have the cartel organ factory to our south.
LINK
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According to the woman's testimony, the criminal organization also used the property for organ trafficking. "They had doctors that came to the property to do experiments on people. It was obviously related to organ trafficking," the woman told Navarro.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 8:49 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:47 am to 4cubbies
I'm going to remove "organ donor" from my license
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:48 am to DougQuaid
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Organ procurement is evil.
Basically most nonprofits are evil money laundering schemes.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:50 am to 4cubbies
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Basically most nonprofits are evil money laundering schemes.
Aww is the liberal opening her eyes to the scams her compatriots operate under the guise of a bleeding heart who “cares” about the plight of the poor to the tune of a 6 figure salary?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:53 am to 4cubbies
Everyone should take a moment out of their day and bring a lunch to your friendly neighborhood mortician and ask them what bodies look like when they come back from their states organ procurement company.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:55 am to nes2010
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I am a donor on my license, but I have always wondered if they do stuff like this.
Having worked with transplantation in a secondary support role there is absolutely immense pressure to begin asap because in many cases the organ has to be flown across country to the recipient and in some cases teams have to work on the donor organ prior to it being transplanted so two flights might be involved.
Setting aside the huge costs involved, massive teams of people have to be mobilized for it all to work and so a single delay up front could cause all that work be wasted and the patient could die.
To say there isn’t pressure applied on the donors family to “wrap things up” is a bit naive.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:55 am to AndyJ
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like you think Trump’s assassination attempt was a hoax
Yikes
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:58 am to nes2010
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I am a donor on my license, but I have always wondered if they do stuff like this.
Its not supposed to happen but you know, greed.....
The only thing that will end up happening is that people will lose trust in the process amd un-register as organ donors which only hurts in the long run. Then eventually, you won't even have the option, they'll just start harvesting your organs.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:59 am to nes2010
quote:You need an advocate with some sense to make these end of life decisions. After 103 minutes and they open her up and see heart beat and breathing I would put at almost impossible. Must have been very healthy from a cardiovascular standpoint. Not sure this is a good example of a "push for more organ transplant".
I am a donor on my license, but I have always wondered if they do stuff like this.
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