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Was the Metaurus the key battle of 2nd Punic War?
Posted on 7/1/25 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 11:54 pm
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Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:00 am to prplhze2000
No one gives a frick, nerd
Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:52 am to prplhze2000
No, actually. Do your research
Posted on 7/2/25 at 12:57 am to prplhze2000
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Was the Metaurus the key battle of 2nd Punic War?
Just finish Punic Nightmares?
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:00 am to Sisyphus
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Just finish Punic Nightmares?
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Sisyphus
Greeks are over in the Peloponnesian thread, buddy.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 1:52 am to prplhze2000
That's what my old man used to always say when he was drinking.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 4:52 am to prplhze2000
Do you seriously not have ChatGPT?
Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:33 am to Ace Midnight
Why the hell would I use that?
I'd submit it was the destruction of Hannibal last hope for success in Italy and was more important than zama.
I'd submit it was the destruction of Hannibal last hope for success in Italy and was more important than zama.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:38 am to prplhze2000
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I'd submit it was the destruction of Hannibal last hope for success in Italy and was more important than zama.
Fair enough, but Zama was so definitive. The myth of Hannibal was finally killed in the Roman psychology.
Recall that Cannae was the most damaging thing to the Roman psyche since 390 B.C. It can be argued that the Republic never fully recovered from it and its response led to the Empire.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:42 am to prplhze2000
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I'd submit it was the destruction of Hannibal last hope for success in Italy and was more important than zama.
Metaurus broke Carthage’s resolve to reinforce Hannibal. It pretty much ended his campaigning in Italy. They cut off Hasdrubal head and send it to Hannibal.
Zama was the final blow.
Unfortunately for Claudius Nero, Scorpio Africanus lead Rome to victory and was an incredible self promoter. That’s why we remember him and his victories more than Claudius Nero at Metaurus.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:42 am to prplhze2000
A strong argument could be made one way or the other.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:56 am to prplhze2000
I tore my Metaurus once, hurt like hell
Posted on 7/2/25 at 6:57 am to CoachChappy
And, Hasdrubal was leading at Metaurus, so the defeat was of "a" lion, but not "the" lion. Again, collective psychology explains a lot of the Republic period.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 7:15 am to prplhze2000
The Battle of Metaurus combined with the morale effects from the Fabian Plan over the prior 15 years definitely was a turning point.
It’s crazy to think about Hannibal roaming the Italian countryside for 15 years, sacking cities only to lose them a few months later when he moved on, until Scipio Africanus made enough trouble outside of Italy.
The larger than life reputations of Hannibal and Scipio Africanus during the 2nd Punic War are fascinating.
It’s crazy to think about Hannibal roaming the Italian countryside for 15 years, sacking cities only to lose them a few months later when he moved on, until Scipio Africanus made enough trouble outside of Italy.
The larger than life reputations of Hannibal and Scipio Africanus during the 2nd Punic War are fascinating.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:02 am to prplhze2000
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Was the Metaurus the key battle of 2nd Punic War?
The key battle? No
A key battle? Yes
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:16 am to ReedRothchild07
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until Scipio Africanus made enough trouble outside of Italy.
I think it was Maury’s that finally snapped the Romans out of entire fear. With Hasdrubal gone, Hannibal was alone. That’s when the plan to attack Carthage started being formulated. It forced Hannibal back on his own turf in defense instead of smashing around Italy.
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:44 am to prplhze2000
Maybe they should lift weights and they wouldn’t be so punic
Posted on 7/2/25 at 8:58 am to prplhze2000
cannae is the most devastating battle of all time, let alone in the war
if you scale the populations to today, it'd be like the US having 5 million young men killed in a single day
if you scale the populations to today, it'd be like the US having 5 million young men killed in a single day
Posted on 7/2/25 at 10:02 am to wileyjones
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cannae is the most devastating battle of all time, let alone in the war
if you scale the populations to today, it'd be like the US having 5 million young men killed in a single day
And people tend to make the mistake of viewing Rome as kind of clinical and sterile. We see their engineering projects, the evidence of their empire's accomplishments that last to this day and forget they were hot blooded folks of the Italian peninsula. Cato the Elder was highly respected and probably the #1 advocate for the utter elimination of Carthage - "Carthago delenda est".
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