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Need advice using non-retirement brokerage funds to potentially purchase home
Posted on 6/25/25 at 7:55 am
Posted on 6/25/25 at 7:55 am
My family is growing in the next few months so we have been looking at houses. We found one on a couple of acres that we like. Needs a little work but not too much. Our plan is to offer a price without a contingency on selling our other home to make the offer more attractive to the sellers and to get it for the price we feel comfortable at.
I have enough in my non-retirement brokerage account that I started before covid to use as a savings avenue and play around with a few stocks. I've had some winners and some losers, but all in all did ok with it. My question is, would the "smart" play to drain the account to purchase the home and not have a mortgage at 6.5% interest and then replenish the account once we sell our existing home or would it be better to to leave some of the funds in the account and have a mortgage for $200k?
I have enough in my non-retirement brokerage account that I started before covid to use as a savings avenue and play around with a few stocks. I've had some winners and some losers, but all in all did ok with it. My question is, would the "smart" play to drain the account to purchase the home and not have a mortgage at 6.5% interest and then replenish the account once we sell our existing home or would it be better to to leave some of the funds in the account and have a mortgage for $200k?
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:13 am to Civildawg
Be aware you are going to pay taxes on gains when you sell. I personally would sell the stocks and do the work now to make it the home you want. When you sell your current home you can refund the account. I don’t want to pay the bank 6.5% if I have cash. Pay yourself.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:15 am to Civildawg
In all seriousness, what do you want to hear here?
Some will choose one side. Others will choose opposite.
It reads like you want to buy the place, so buy it anyway you're comfortable. Don't make decisions solely on interest rates, either earned or owned, because there's benefits on both sides, as well as negatives.
Some will choose one side. Others will choose opposite.
It reads like you want to buy the place, so buy it anyway you're comfortable. Don't make decisions solely on interest rates, either earned or owned, because there's benefits on both sides, as well as negatives.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:19 am to BestBanker
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In all seriousness, what do you want to hear here?
I want to hear opinions from people on here that may have better money knowledge than myself.
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Some will choose one side. Others will choose opposite.
That's why I posted the question. I want to hear all sides and scenarios.
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It reads like you want to buy the place
Yes, I already noted in my original post we wanted to buy the place.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 8:19 am
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:27 am to Drizzt
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I personally would sell the stocks and do the work now to make it the home you want. When you sell your current home you can refund the account. I don’t want to pay the bank 6.5% if I have cash.
You’d rather the government have 20% of your gains?
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 8:27 am
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:32 am to Mingo Was His NameO
If I understand correctly, this is a brokerage account so there will be no tax implications, correct?
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:34 am to Python
Correct. I will say most of the stocks I have will be subject to long term taxes and not short term
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:34 am to Mingo Was His NameO
So I'm just supposed to hold the stocks till I die? I will have to sell them at some point
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:37 am to Python
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If I understand correctly, this is a brokerage account so there will be no tax implications, correct?
It’ll be subject to either 15% or 20% depending on the OP’s income level.
I’d sell any stocks that have little to no gain and use that and any other cash savings to mortgage the house and once my old house sold use the proceeds to pay off the mortgage. The market isn’t hot enough to get banged for 15% taxes to make a cash offer.
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So I'm just supposed to hold the stocks till I die? I will have to sell them at some point
1. You can structure your income in retirement to minimize tax liability.
2. You’re taking a 10% penalty on this transaction to needlessly avoid taking out a mortgage
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 8:39 am
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:39 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You’d rather the government have 20% of your gains?
You gotta pay them at some point.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:40 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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get banged for 15% taxes
You keep saying that but please present me a scenario where I will ever avoid the 15% tax? Is there some loophole I don't know about
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:40 am to Mingo Was His NameO
You obviously haven’t done this before or are bad at math. Most of what you get back in a stock sale is the original money you put in the stock which is not subject to taxes. Also long term capital gains is 15% and not 20%. Unless he has a bunch of 10x baggers, he’s not paying 15% on the whole $200,000, just gains. He WILL pay 6.5% on the whole mortgage PLUS closing costs.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:41 am to Civildawg
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You keep saying that but please present me a scenario where I will ever avoid the 15% tax? Is there some loophole I don't know about
Just do what you want, you obviously aren’t interested in advice. Just validation of what you wanted to already do. Good luck, hope you get the house
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:41 am to Drizzt
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You obviously haven’t done this before or are bad at math. Most of what you get back in a stock sale is the original money you put in the stock which is not subject to taxes. Also long term capital gains is 15% and not 20%. Unless he has a bunch of 10x baggers, he’s not paying 15% on the whole $200,000, just gains. He WILL pay 6.5% on the whole mortgage PLUS closing costs.
SMH
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:43 am to Drizzt
I will say I have a couple 10x baggers. NVDA and LRCX. So it may be smart to try not to use those stocks to fund the purchase. Thanks for that insight
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:44 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I'm just trying to understand your logic of how I will ever avoid paying 15% on the stock sells I own in this account
Posted on 6/25/25 at 8:45 am to Civildawg
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I'm just trying to understand your logic of how I will ever avoid paying 15% on the stock sells I own in this account
You may not, but you’re paying a premium on the money you need to buy this house.
You can take out a mortgage and pay it off with the tax free dollars from the sale of your old home. The only consideration here really should be closing costs. If your tax burden exceeds the cost of taking out the mortgage then it may make sense to sell the stocks
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:00 am to Civildawg
I had similar situation. Instead of selling shares, I borrowed against them using a securities backed line of credit w my brokerage.
The negotiated rate is 1.55% +SOFR (currently ~5.8% up from when I took it out). I borrowed enough for 20% down payment and took out a mortgage (sub 4%).
That way, my investments are still fully deployed in stock market not tied up in home equity. (Harder/more expensive to access and reduces ROI on home)
Mortgage rates are higher now so you have a stronger case for avoiding mortgage than I did.
I'd be careful not to trigger 20% LTCG rate and possibly +3.8 NIIT by liquidating large sum in 1 tax year. Makes even less sense if you are gonna pay higher tax now just to turn arlund and invest proceeds from sale of current home. You might be able to optimize by pulling only enough LTCG to stay in zero LTCG rate or even up to 15% and borrow the rest. Mortgage interest may be minimal if you then pay it down w home sale and/or harvested gains over several tax years at lower LTCG rate than you'd pay all at once. This is most beneficial if you have remaining income space in the zero LTCG rate.
If you take out a mortgage, you can either refi at lower rate later or apply proceeds of home sale if rates remain high. Only then, your capital is stagnating in home equity long term instead of deployed in market.
The negotiated rate is 1.55% +SOFR (currently ~5.8% up from when I took it out). I borrowed enough for 20% down payment and took out a mortgage (sub 4%).
That way, my investments are still fully deployed in stock market not tied up in home equity. (Harder/more expensive to access and reduces ROI on home)
Mortgage rates are higher now so you have a stronger case for avoiding mortgage than I did.
I'd be careful not to trigger 20% LTCG rate and possibly +3.8 NIIT by liquidating large sum in 1 tax year. Makes even less sense if you are gonna pay higher tax now just to turn arlund and invest proceeds from sale of current home. You might be able to optimize by pulling only enough LTCG to stay in zero LTCG rate or even up to 15% and borrow the rest. Mortgage interest may be minimal if you then pay it down w home sale and/or harvested gains over several tax years at lower LTCG rate than you'd pay all at once. This is most beneficial if you have remaining income space in the zero LTCG rate.
If you take out a mortgage, you can either refi at lower rate later or apply proceeds of home sale if rates remain high. Only then, your capital is stagnating in home equity long term instead of deployed in market.
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:07 am to Civildawg
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You keep saying that but please present me a scenario where I will ever avoid the 15% tax? Is there some loophole I don't know about
The zero LTCG rate which for a married couple goes up to something like $130k income with standard deduction.
You can harvest gains and pay zero LTCG tax. This is especially useful in retirement or any other lower income year.
Also, heirs get stepped up basis upon death including spouse for your portion.
Or, you can gift appreciated shares to a low income loved one and they can sell at zero LTCG rate (think recent college grad or retired parent)
Or, donate shares to charity instead of cash.
This post was edited on 6/25/25 at 9:10 am
Posted on 6/25/25 at 9:11 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
If my math is right, zero LTCG rate applies to married/joint up to $97600 plus $30k standard deduction = up to $127,600 taxable income
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