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I think any chance we had of dumping load management or playing through pain is gone
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:34 am
Players, agents, trainers, etc. are going to point to the recent avalanche of Achilles tears as proof that players need more time or they risk serious injury.
Theories on why so many Achilles tears are:
- AAU puts extra mileage
- Low top shoes
- Workouts designed to strengthen acceleration, etc.
- COVID shots (LOL)
- Speed of the game in general
I don't think it's AAU. That's been going on a long time and isn't new so that isn't a real answer imo.
Low top shoes - Personally, I think this plays a significant role potentially.
Workouts - Possibly - I think human ligaments and tendons can only do so much and we may be at a tipping point.
COVID shots - This is just dumb imo.
Speed of the game - Maybe. I wonder if there's a way to see how much a typical NBA player actually ran in the 90s vs today. The game is definitely faster in a lot of ways. You could say what about Denver in the 80s or Showtime Lakers running and gunning, but I wonder how much energy and movement was expended defensively back then.
But either way, I'm waiting for BI to come back and be like "See..." Calf injuries are going to turn into half a season injuries now.
Theories on why so many Achilles tears are:
- AAU puts extra mileage
- Low top shoes
- Workouts designed to strengthen acceleration, etc.
- COVID shots (LOL)
- Speed of the game in general
I don't think it's AAU. That's been going on a long time and isn't new so that isn't a real answer imo.
Low top shoes - Personally, I think this plays a significant role potentially.
Workouts - Possibly - I think human ligaments and tendons can only do so much and we may be at a tipping point.
COVID shots - This is just dumb imo.
Speed of the game - Maybe. I wonder if there's a way to see how much a typical NBA player actually ran in the 90s vs today. The game is definitely faster in a lot of ways. You could say what about Denver in the 80s or Showtime Lakers running and gunning, but I wonder how much energy and movement was expended defensively back then.
But either way, I'm waiting for BI to come back and be like "See..." Calf injuries are going to turn into half a season injuries now.
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:37 am to ghost2most
Its been known for awhile now that Calf Strains increase the risk of Achilles by a good bit.
You won't see players playing with bad calf strains anymore
You won't see players playing with bad calf strains anymore
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:40 am to ghost2most
I keep thinking about Ingrams calf strain and how we all bitched about him taking too long.
Was he right? I'm sure he feels more justified today given these recent injuries.
Was he right? I'm sure he feels more justified today given these recent injuries.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:26 am to whatiknowsofar
Yeah, Giannis and Mitchell didnt play last year cause of it and Luka this year .
Luka personal team said no while Nico and Mavericks medical team wanted him to play on it.
Mitchell missed game 4/5 when they were down 2-1 in the playoffs.
Giannis missed the final games of bucks but wanted to play for Greece.
A lot of fans call them soft for taking too long to come back too. Only one I remember playing on it was Jamal Murray which is wild.
Luka personal team said no while Nico and Mavericks medical team wanted him to play on it.
Mitchell missed game 4/5 when they were down 2-1 in the playoffs.
Giannis missed the final games of bucks but wanted to play for Greece.
A lot of fans call them soft for taking too long to come back too. Only one I remember playing on it was Jamal Murray which is wild.
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:03 am to ghost2most
LINK
Results: High-top shoes significantly reduced peak Achilles tendon tension by an average of 9.9% when compared with low-top shoes. Tied laces significantly reduced peak tension for low-top (3.7%) and high-top (12.8%) shoes when compared with untied laces. With tied laces, high-top shoes significantly reduced peak dorsiflexion angle by an average of 7.2% when compared with low-top shoes. Tied laces with high-top shoes significantly reduced peak dorsiflexion angle by an average of 4.7% when compared with untied laces. A P value of 0.05 was determined to be significant.
Conclusions: This study offers valuable insight that footwear can affect Achilles tendon loading during dorsiflexion.
Results: High-top shoes significantly reduced peak Achilles tendon tension by an average of 9.9% when compared with low-top shoes. Tied laces significantly reduced peak tension for low-top (3.7%) and high-top (12.8%) shoes when compared with untied laces. With tied laces, high-top shoes significantly reduced peak dorsiflexion angle by an average of 7.2% when compared with low-top shoes. Tied laces with high-top shoes significantly reduced peak dorsiflexion angle by an average of 4.7% when compared with untied laces. A P value of 0.05 was determined to be significant.
Conclusions: This study offers valuable insight that footwear can affect Achilles tendon loading during dorsiflexion.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:26 pm to WaltWhite504
Why would anybody NOT wear high-tops?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:37 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Usually they tape/brace their ankles. So I don’t think it makes much of a difference
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:38 pm to duyp
Whatever support you get from tape is 80 per cent gone by halftime
Posted on 6/24/25 at 7:46 am to Fun Bunch
quote:It is pretty typical during a regular season that teams try to be more cautious with calf strains. However, in this situation, everyone (except Dumars) knew Hali would take more chances being it was for a championship. That it why the timing of the trade was so ridiculous.
Its been known for awhile now that Calf Strains increase the risk of Achilles by a good bit.
You won't see players playing with bad calf strains anymore
Posted on 6/24/25 at 8:00 am to ghost2most
Was watching someone talk about this, the data shows that NBA players run an average of 200 miles more during a season than they did 20 years ago. Most of that strain is placed on the calves, so recovery and game time have to be different in today's basketball era.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:03 pm to ghost2most
Intense workouts with inadequate rest is a likely culprit. Even this old fart amateur had to scale back workouts because of calf and Achilles strain.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 1:58 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:
I keep thinking about Ingrams calf strain and how we all bitched about him taking too long.
Was he right? I'm sure he feels more justified today given these recent injuries.
I certainly mentioned this issue when people were bitching about him.
Posted on 6/24/25 at 2:10 pm to whatiknowsofar
Ingram had calf soreness. He didn't strain it.
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