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Why isn't Trump harsher on the demand side of illegals?

Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:48 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:48 pm
Why not turn up the heat on business hiring illegals? Find some way to get an accurate test/count per employer (biometrics?) or whatever. If they exceed x% illegals, then fine then $1M/day and the vast majority will return to Mexico. A lot of "red" states employ millions of illegals, yet they aren't being touched.
Posted by theballguy
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 9:59 pm to
I can only guess he has a soft spot for business owners but I would like to see something done.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:01 pm to
Because Trump is all about political theater. Make no mistake, he loves this shite.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:01 pm to
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A lot of "red" states employ millions of illegals, yet they aren't being touched.


Did you miss the thread on the Omaha ICE raid?

Perhaps if they weren’t being assaulted by leftists, they could do more work like that.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:04 pm to
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Did you miss the thread on the Omaha ICE raid?


And there will likely be no consequences for the business owner who is already using the plausible deniability tactic.

If there are no consequences for business owners that employ vast numbers of illegals, the demand side of the issue will still persist.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:05 pm to
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Because Trump is all about political theater.


Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
166321 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:06 pm to
Yeah that was creep AF. Doesn't change the fact that Trump loves political theater.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:06 pm to
This is where enforcement should be but it isn't because it would affect too many big donors on both sides.

Also need to make sure the census only counts legal citizens to disincentive states like California from bringing them in.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:08 pm to
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A lot of "red" states employ millions of illegals, yet they aren't being touched.


There have been raids in Nebraska, Florida, Texas, and Alabama, among others, as far as I’m aware, although the media has not focused on them as much.

I don’t deal with agree that there should be more focus on the demand side though.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:09 pm to
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This is where enforcement should be but it isn't because it would affect too many big donors on both sides.


Which is absolutely ridiculous and means no one really wants to solve the problem
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:13 pm to
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There have been raids in Nebraska, Florida, Texas, and Alabama, among others, as far as I’m aware, although the media has not focused on them as much.

And if there are no consequences for the business owners nothing will ever change
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:14 pm to
Make it a felony to hire an illegal and a 1 million dollar fine.

Problem solved.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
166321 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:21 pm to
You really would have to make the penalties so Draconian that they would put the companies out of business. It's the only way I see illegal immigration ever getting fixed.
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:23 pm to
I’m referring to day laborers and their small time contractors too
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
166321 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:26 pm to
They probably couldn't afford the million dollar fine but you could probably do it on a per employee basis to make the scale of it equal for each employer.

Make it something like 30K per employee and there is no way any of those people would hire an illegal for day labor

And the big corps that have hundreds or thousands of illegals would have huge fines to pay and would think twice about doing it

If they can't afford the fine, they go to prison

No one would hire illegals under that scenario
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
Sanford Stadium
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:29 pm to
Fines + felony charges for EVERYONE that oversees the hiring process. Federal jail time of a minimum of ten years would do the trick.

You ALMOST wouldn’t even need border patrol if that was the law.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
166321 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:31 pm to
10 years might be excessive (and too costly)

90 days in jail would probably be enough of a deterrent for someone that has never served time

It appears we need better systems as well. E-verify and I-9 forms aren't getting it done. Too many people sneak through those systems with fake IDs and in that case the employers have enough plausible deniability. Employers need to be equipped with better systems to filter illegals out of the hiring process.
Posted by Snazzmeister
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Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:35 pm to
The feds need to get serious about enforcing the laws and develop better verification methods first. Right now, anyone willing to commit identity theft can get around e-Verify and employers aren’t even allowed to ask for documents the employees don’t provide, so long as they have sufficient documentation for their I-9.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
166321 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:36 pm to
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The feds need to get serious about enforcing the laws and develop better verification methods first. Right now, anyone willing to commit identity theft can get around e-Verify and employers aren’t even allowed to ask for documents the employees don’t provide, so long as they have sufficient documentation for their I-9.

Right. This should have been done during Trump 1.0 because it will take time to get better tools in place. Once better tools are in place you can be more successful at punishing people who knowingly hire illegals.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
40034 posts
Posted on 6/11/25 at 10:50 pm to
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And there will likely be no consequences for the business owner


So speculation on your part…okay.
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