Trade Target# 1

If it lowers the asking price for him I’d absolutely look into a trade. Maybe Garland for Dejounte and the Pacers 1st next year plus another first a couple years down the road. The pick swap with the Bucks would be off the table though.

My top (3) trade scenarios would probably be an outline of:

Spurs: Herb/ Olynyk/ #7/ ?????
Pels: Vassell/ #2

(Maybe Herb + #7 get us Harper straight up)

Hou: Herb/ Olynyk/ ????
Pels: Sengun/ T Eason

PHI: Herb/ Olynyk/ #7/ ?????
Pels: McCain/ #3

Clearly some of those trades are going to require several future picks/ assets but worth it. Theoretically we can attach up to (5) 1st in these packages including our #7 pick. I really don't see any of these as unrealistic compared to other options.

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McCain would be ideal but i doubt they give him up

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What would you give up to make it happen on top of this trade?

76ers: Herb/ Olynyk/ #7/ 26' Pels/ 29' Pels
Pels: Jared McCain/ #3/ 28' 2nd

If they say no and MIL trades Giannis then we could probably add the 26' MIL swap and I think that trade is close.

Or how many 1st would you include with Herb to get #2 from SAS and keep #7?

These are the type of trades we let go of Herb for IMO

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Question is...do Pels go ahead and try to maximize the return for Herb...or...hang on to him for too long and get less of a return? It's the Pels...so I'm gussing the latter.

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Any other year and I'd say we hold onto him. But this year it is clear Trey/ Zion are staying and we either find success with those 2 or atleast 1 of them will be gone. Simultaneously we have a few holes and trading Murray/ CJ could hurt us more than help us. Trading Herb for upgrades or long term pieces just makes the most sense.

You could do:

Spurs: Herb/ 26' Pels/ 26' MIL swap/ 29' Pels
Pels: #2

Spurs still have #14, get Herb, and get 2 extra picks. We would have Harper and #7. If you do something like that then it makes it just that much easier to trade Zion and rebuild if things don't work out.

We essentially have Herb/ Olynyk + #7 + (4) 1st to do whatever tf we want. I personally hope we take advantage of that knowing we have Zion/ Murray to trade on the back end.

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don't understand your question. If we lose Herb and Murray is out for the start of the season then you have:

CJ
Trey
Zion
Missi

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Right now our projected starting lineup is

McCollum/ Jones/ Murphy/ Zion/ Missi

When Murray comes back, one of Jones or McCollum goes to the bench.

In your scenario, you are trading away our shooting guard (one of them) and drafting Bailey, who is a long 6'9ish 3/4 tweener. So who's playing SG?

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You are acting like we wouldn't be in the exact same situation if we drafted Flagg #1 or any other player in the top 10 besides a PG.

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Drafting someone at #7 is different than someone at #3. You can slow roll a player taken at #7 and don't have to play him as early. Top 5 is at least an instant starter (with hopefully star potential). We are creating the same fit issues that we had with Ingram taking Bailey who is very similar to him..

There's a common opinion on here that Herb is a solidified starter on this team and the truth is that whatever player we draft this year could have him benched before the season is over.

Murray/ CJ/ Zion/ Trey have the most impact with the right roster. Knowing all this is also probably the main reason we are hearing Herb rumors and that he is the most likely to get traded.

The teams that want Herb are teams that will have him as 5th option or 6th man on a better team. So we need to accept that Herb starting at SG isn't doing shite for us.

The ONLY way that keeping Herb instead of upgrading from him makes us better is if we use him as a 6th man and get a C like Sengun. The only way we get better is upgrading Herb or getting good enough to make him 6th man. Herb starting on this roster is not a viable option for success. It sucks but its the truth.

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Pelicans
#3

Bucks
#7
Paul George (who they flip)
2006 NOLA Swap Rights pick

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Not sure the Bucks want Hilton Armstrong. The Bucks would definitely want more picks regardless.

If Giannis is traded then The bucks 26' and 27' should not be traded to go from #7 to #3 especially if we are already giving up #7. I'd rather trade Herb and future picks for #3 and keep #7.

A trade including Herb + any of #7/ 26'/ 27' needs to include an upgraded player. That's why I mentioned McCain/ Sengun/ Vassel because they are actually realistic upgrades with the assets we have.

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Just trying to get #3 without giving up Herb

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Again, there is no reason to believe #7 also isn't better than Herb. So if you draft #2/#3 and #7 you could end up with (2) better players than Herb instead of #7 and Herb. Keeping #7 and trading Herb + picks for #2/#3 would be ideal.

In order to get another star (1) of CJ/ Murray/ Herb has to be traded. We can't trade for a player +25mil without including 1 of those guys. And adding a PG/ SG while losing Murray/ CJ doesn't do shite for us.

The answer is to trade Herb.

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Herb & #7
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#3 & Oubre

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I'm not doing it. In my mind, this is a 2 player draft. If I can get to #2, I'd give up Jones (maybe Murphy). But not to get to #3. Bailey has a lot of upside, but he's too raw. There are tons of players we could take at #7 with just as much potential.

Long story short, I'd rather have Jones and Carter Bryant than Ace Bailey and Oubre.