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The scumbag side of General Douglas McArthur

Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:03 am
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:03 am
A book review in the Wall Street Journal tore him up today. Ouch.
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In the darkest days of World War II, Gens. Douglas MacArthur and Jonathan Wainwright faced unsurmountable odds. Only one of them, however, was responsible for their dilemma. Against the threat of Japanese invasion in 1941, MacArthur had convinced George Marshall, the Army chief of staff, that the long-held American strategy to defend the Philippines by concentrating forces around Manila was flawed and that MacArthur could protect the entire archipelago. Marshall approved, and MacArthur scattered his forces and supplies across Luzon and the other islands.

Only after Pearl Harbor did MacArthur acknowledge that the well-equipped, 200,000-man American-led Filipino army he had proposed existed solely under the brim of his gold-braided garrison cap....

Wainwright believed in an agile armed force. During his commencement speech to the graduates at Fort Riley’s Cavalry School in 1935, Wainwright argued that “mobility,” whether by horse or by mechanized vehicle, “must still remain our watchword.” When they received their orders, they “should be able to move out at once.” MacArthur’s standard mode of operation—at least early in the war—was the opposite of mobility and proved downright paralyzing in the hours immediately after Pearl Harbor.

MacArthur led the public to believe he was outnumbered in the Philippines. In fact, the Japanese troops who made surprise landings at multiple points on Luzon numbered only half his force. Yet MacArthur’s penchant for hyperbole was never more misdirected than when he gave false hope to Wainwright’s men on Bataan during his lone visit there. Japan’s “temporary superiority of the air would soon be a thing of the past,” MacArthur promised, and he “would soon reoccupy Manila.” Wainwright knew better. He saw the future in the hollow eyes and sagging bellies of his men during his daily visits to the front.

Recounting battle scenes with riveting prose, Mr. Horn minces no words in his descriptions of the horrors of Bataan. The food stores that MacArthur had ordered to be held in reserve never made it to Bataan in sufficient quantities. ....

Two months after MacArthur escaped from Corregidor, Wainwright, placed by Marshall in overall command of the islands, had no choice but to surrender the Philippines or face mass extermination. MacArthur was livid. He never forgave Wainwright, thinking the surrender impugned MacArthur’s prior actions—which in many respects it did.

Shortly after MacArthur fled to Australia, Marshall recommended MacArthur for the Medal of Honor for his defense of the Philippines, an award calculated to boost American morale. After Wainwright’s surrender, amid rumors of the Bataan Death March, Marshall recommended Wainwright for his own Medal of Honor. It would show the world and Wainwright himself—who battled doubts and depression about how even his own family viewed him—that he had fought honorably. Opposition to the medal came from only one person—Douglas MacArthur. Wainwright’s actions did not measure up, MacArthur told Marshall, who chose to defer the award and avoid a wartime dispute with MacArthur.

After three years of captivity, an emaciated Wainwright was present at the Japanese surrender ceremony on the deck of USS Missouri, not because MacArthur had invited him, but because Marshall ordered it. Marshall also saw to it that Wainwright finally received the Medal of Honor, a medal, Mr. Horn concludes, that Wainwright did not need “to find honor.”


WSJ
Posted by Lexis Dad
Member since Apr 2025
801 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:09 am to
George Marshall was a good, honorable man.

Douglas MacArthur was the antithesis of that. Just a complete, egotistical a-hole who got thousands of American troops killed due to his hubris.
This post was edited on 5/17/25 at 9:10 am
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
35755 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:09 am to
Dugout Doug was a complete piece of shite. What he did to the Marines at Pelieliu was unforgivable.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
41815 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:12 am to
Mac had plenty of time to get ready after the news of Pearl Harbor, but didn't do squat.
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
1045 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:14 am to
He allowed an American base at Clark field in the Philippines to be caught by surprise within 24 hours of Pearl Harbor attack. They lost something like 2/3rds of their aircraft because they were all lined up on the ground.

He assured FDR they were prepared and allowed 2 lower officers to take the heat when they were following his orders.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36615 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:16 am to
McArthur was right. We should have turned on the fricking commies the second the war was over.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
144979 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 9:18 am to
My Army Veteran, US History teacher in 10th grade pretty much eviscerated McArthur every single chance he got. Never ever missed an opportunity and it always stuck with me.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
83598 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 10:09 am to
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McArthur was right. We should have turned on the fricking commies the second the war was over.


pretty sure that was Patton
Posted by Lexis Dad
Member since Apr 2025
801 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 10:13 am to
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McArthur was right. We should have turned on the fricking commies the second the war was over.

That was Patton
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
12651 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 10:15 am to
MacArthur was a shitty fricking general.

Eta: And a vainglorious a-hole that got thousands of troops killed.

But his absolute worst performance was Korea
This post was edited on 5/17/25 at 10:17 am
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
26092 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 10:20 am to
frick macarthur. he fricked over skinny getting a MOH. he was a piece of shite in WWII. best hour was in korea at inchon
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
81983 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 10:20 am to
MacArthur even staged scenes of his return to the Philippines, he was not what history says he was
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
83598 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 10:27 am to
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he was not what history says he was


iirc, Mac was behind not prosecuting many high ranking Japanese military officers for some pretty heinous war crimes, including cannabalism of our military officers, and keeping the reigning Jap hierarchy in place for "stabilization"
This post was edited on 5/17/25 at 10:36 am
Posted by GruntbyAssociation
Member since Jul 2013
7020 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 10:33 am to
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Douglas MacArthur was the antithesis of that. Just a complete, egotistical a-hole who got thousands of American troops killed due to his hubris.


So MacArthur was a Texan.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
909 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 10:40 am to
Not to defend McArthur, but PI Gunn's biography ( Indestructible) sheds a lot of light on the structural problems of the US Army at the beginnings of WWII. The failures in the Philippines and at Pearl were attributable to these problems as much as they were to command failures.

For example: A characteristic the Army shared with the British Army and RAF was that the quartermaster corps tended to be incredibly bureaucratic, even feudal, and hoarded supplies that were needed by the troops in critical times. This was why so many of the American supplies in the Philippines were captured by the Japanese.

Gunn documents this, and his "raids", some of which were conducted at gunpoint, to liberate critical supplies of guns, ammunition, and food. The Japanese captured one enormous cache on Luzon simply because the quartermasters had decided it all needed to be in one spot, and they did not have proper authorization through channels to move it. They literally would not have moved it had McArthur shown up in person and demanded it without the proper paperwork.

In England, Lord Beaverbrook was Churchill's version of Elon Musk, a successful entrepreneur with no prior government experience who ran roughshod over the Air Ministry's antiquated supply system and increased aircraft production 50% in a matter of months. In one instance, as they were running short of machine guns for fighters, his people found 1500 of them hoarded at a supply depot, which insisted there were no more. The next day, they found another 1200 after a thorough search of the depot.

This was sadly where the Allies were at the beginning of the war. The problems were a lot more systemic than McArthur.
This post was edited on 5/17/25 at 10:46 am
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8347 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 10:55 am to
My former neighbor and fishing buddy (now deceased) was a South Pacific Marine combat veteran (Guadalcanal, Bouganville, Tarawa). He hated McArthur. One of my coworkers was a Phillippine invasion Army combat veteran. He hated McArthur, too. Both of them referred to McArthur as "Dugout Doug".
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36615 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 11:00 am to
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pretty sure that was Patton


You right

I was thinking of Manchuria and the Chinese during Korea like a retard….


Both were right men and beliefs were correct.

frickin commies
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
41815 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 11:26 am to
Pappy Gunn had an incredible career. That's a great book.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
54943 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 11:32 am to
Except army plans called for a concentration of forces and supplies around manila. McArthur screwed all that up.
Posted by LCrox
Alabama (the smart area)
Member since Sep 2019
551 posts
Posted on 5/17/25 at 11:51 am to
Fun fact: ole Doug’s dad was awarded the Medal of Honor for civil war battle in Tennessee. Dad, ironically named Arthur MacArthur (seriously) was part of Union forces. Believe they are only father -son recipients of the Medal of Honor.
This post was edited on 5/17/25 at 11:58 am
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