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What are the views of the Pope? Non-Catholic Christians, Non-Christians and Women
Posted on 5/7/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 5/7/25 at 1:56 pm
…in particular.
In this time of conclave, got me curious what do Non Catholics and Women think of the role of the Pope (to Catholicism, Christianity in general and the world)?
Curious about women’s views when I read things like “Any baptized Catholic male is eligible”, ie role of women in the church.
1.4B Catholics are est in world. This post is for the other 6B ish people in the world (including Catholic women).
In this time of conclave, got me curious what do Non Catholics and Women think of the role of the Pope (to Catholicism, Christianity in general and the world)?
Curious about women’s views when I read things like “Any baptized Catholic male is eligible”, ie role of women in the church.
1.4B Catholics are est in world. This post is for the other 6B ish people in the world (including Catholic women).
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 1:57 pm to Artificial Ignorance
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 1:59 pm to Artificial Ignorance
I have a lot of friends that are Catholics.
Some really get a lot out of it, so I keep my opinions to myself.
Some really get a lot out of it, so I keep my opinions to myself.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:02 pm to Artificial Ignorance
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the role of the Pope
View him/them more or less like the British Royal Family. A mouthpiece that people post quotes from but no functional role as it concerns me. I wish the best for the new one and Catholicism as a whole.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:02 pm to Artificial Ignorance
The pope is just a man. He shouldn’t be treated like he’s God. And whoever the new pope is, I hope he follows biblical principles and standards. He shouldn’t be a pedophile or support gay marriage, or abortions.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:03 pm to CatsGoneWild
Black smoke from the first round.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:04 pm to Artificial Ignorance
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Women
They arent allowed
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a woman cannot be the Pope in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has a tradition of only ordaining men as priests, and the Pope must be a priest. Because women are not ordained, they cannot become cardinals, who elect the Pope. NBC News reported that the Church's position is based on tradition and precedent, citing the historical practice of male-only ordination.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:05 pm to Artificial Ignorance
Anti Christ
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:05 pm to Catahoula
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Black smoke from the first round.
Who said the Catholics were going to EV?
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:06 pm to profdillweed
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Women
They arent allowed
Probably one of the main reasons the church still survives through 2,000 plus years.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:07 pm to CougarBait
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Anti Christ
Would make sense if he had influence over the most people, he doesnt.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:21 pm to CatsGoneWild
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The pope is just a man. He shouldn’t be treated like he’s God.
This sums up most of my view of the Pope(s). I respect the position and wish him well. As I do with all Catholics around the world.
What irks me is when the Pope tried to get into the U.S. politics directly: calling it “madness” and condemned Trump for wanted to deport the mass illegals here.
I have many friends and family who are Catholic. We share very similar viewpoints on religion in general.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:22 pm to Artificial Ignorance
The last pope showed that all men are flawed, including the men who elected him.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:24 pm to Artificial Ignorance
About the same as any other cult leader.....
Posted on 5/7/25 at 2:34 pm to Artificial Ignorance
I'm prejudiced against Catholic clergy. So often, in my admittedly limited interactions with them, they seem very softly Christian or even secular humanist in bent - be a good person, let's get you right with God my son, etc.
Nothing wrong with those themes in a vacuum, they're just vague and platitude-like which is in contrast to the things I've generally appreciated about Catholicism as a whole - history, process, definiteness. Coming from evangelicalism (which has its own issues of course) I tend to think of people making the election to enter the priesthood and then having that course set for them which may allow them to "cruise" to an extent - having to rely less on diligent seeking because the pathways are more defined. So that's probably part of where the bias comes from.
So, admittedly, I see the cardinals and I fight back doubts that they may be political (meant within the RCC) players jockeying for turf and influence rather than Christ followers primarily devoted to Kingdom causes. I suspect that's true to at least some extent as it is in the higher echelons of almost any organization (including with high profile prots, etc.) And that extends to the Pope.
All of the above comes with the caveat that I'm not Catholic and my interactions are limited and from the outside and that I have little doubt that my perceptions could be wildly skewed from limited anecdotal experience. But you asked, so...
Nothing wrong with those themes in a vacuum, they're just vague and platitude-like which is in contrast to the things I've generally appreciated about Catholicism as a whole - history, process, definiteness. Coming from evangelicalism (which has its own issues of course) I tend to think of people making the election to enter the priesthood and then having that course set for them which may allow them to "cruise" to an extent - having to rely less on diligent seeking because the pathways are more defined. So that's probably part of where the bias comes from.
So, admittedly, I see the cardinals and I fight back doubts that they may be political (meant within the RCC) players jockeying for turf and influence rather than Christ followers primarily devoted to Kingdom causes. I suspect that's true to at least some extent as it is in the higher echelons of almost any organization (including with high profile prots, etc.) And that extends to the Pope.
All of the above comes with the caveat that I'm not Catholic and my interactions are limited and from the outside and that I have little doubt that my perceptions could be wildly skewed from limited anecdotal experience. But you asked, so...
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:25 pm to Pettifogger
Christ is King. The pope is nothing more than a man like myself.
Catholicism is an absolute disaster at the moment. Truly a den of Satan.
I'm an Episcopalian. Also a disaster and a den of Satan.
However within both, there are individuals and parishes and churches that defy Satans conquest of Christianity.
I stand with any Christian that defies Satan in this battle. Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox. Together, we will serve The Lord towards his victory over Satan.
Catholicism is an absolute disaster at the moment. Truly a den of Satan.
I'm an Episcopalian. Also a disaster and a den of Satan.
However within both, there are individuals and parishes and churches that defy Satans conquest of Christianity.
I stand with any Christian that defies Satan in this battle. Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox. Together, we will serve The Lord towards his victory over Satan.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:30 pm to CatsGoneWild
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The pope is just a man. He shouldn’t be treated like he’s God
I've never understood the principal of confessing your sins to a mortal man. No where is this biblical. Especially as flawed as so many of these priest are. As a follower of Christ, I have a direct line to God and His Son, Jesus Christ.
I fell out with the Catholic church when Pope Francis came to America in 2015, and lectured us for our indulgences as a rich country. And for not taking care of our poor and homeless. While the Vatican is sitting on 15B in assets. That did it for me.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:35 pm to Artificial Ignorance
Orthodox.
We view the Pope as head of his catholic Church, but by no means Vicar and supreme. He's a holy man, not the holy man. His private country club is ripe with abuses, and in no shape, form or fashion is he preeminent. We saw that with the last one and his championing of universalism, gay marriage, and socialism. We've seen the fallacies of this heresy with the rampant abuses of children and other controversies. He's a representative for exactly what the one, true Apostolic church is adamantly opposed to: changing with popular culture of the time and more interested in being liked than being right.
The Apostolic patriarchates were so adamant about this ridiculous heresy that Rome was excommunicated from the ecumenical council 1000 years ago because of it. The only original church from day of Pentecost is not in the Vatican or its pope — they changed the script, and still do today, and we don't take that lightly.
He's head of the Catholics and their church. Nothing less, and certainly nothing more.
We view the Pope as head of his catholic Church, but by no means Vicar and supreme. He's a holy man, not the holy man. His private country club is ripe with abuses, and in no shape, form or fashion is he preeminent. We saw that with the last one and his championing of universalism, gay marriage, and socialism. We've seen the fallacies of this heresy with the rampant abuses of children and other controversies. He's a representative for exactly what the one, true Apostolic church is adamantly opposed to: changing with popular culture of the time and more interested in being liked than being right.
The Apostolic patriarchates were so adamant about this ridiculous heresy that Rome was excommunicated from the ecumenical council 1000 years ago because of it. The only original church from day of Pentecost is not in the Vatican or its pope — they changed the script, and still do today, and we don't take that lightly.
He's head of the Catholics and their church. Nothing less, and certainly nothing more.
Posted on 5/7/25 at 3:49 pm to krewerider
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I've never understood the principal of confessing your sins to a mortal man. No where is this biblical
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John 20:21-23
"Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
Posted on 5/7/25 at 4:03 pm to Lexis Dad
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"Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
In John 20:23 the words “have been forgiven” is the single Greek word aphiami. It is the perfect passive. The perfect tense is “I have been.” The pluperfect is “I had been.” The perfect tense designates an action that occurs in the past and continues into the present, i.e., “I have been eating.” The disciples were not doing the forgiving but pronouncing the sins that “have been” forgiven by God.
John 20:23 is not saying that priests have the authority to forgive sins. It is saying that Christian disciples have the authority to pronounce what sins “have been forgiven.”
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