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How much say do/did guys like Nicklaus and Palmer have on their courses design?
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:54 am
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:54 am
Not just them but they are the two most prominent pros turned course architects.
I’m sure the answer varies depending on the guy, but how much input do you think these pros actually have on golf course designs?
For example Justin Thomas just helped design Panther National. Did he actually have legitimate input on the course or was he as involved in the design as George Foreman was with the grill?
I’m sure the answer varies depending on the guy, but how much input do you think these pros actually have on golf course designs?
For example Justin Thomas just helped design Panther National. Did he actually have legitimate input on the course or was he as involved in the design as George Foreman was with the grill?
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Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:25 am to Tiger1242
Nicklaus I would imagine has final say
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:25 am to Tiger1242
They had a ton of influence. Their styles are pretty easy to spot from the shape of par 4s (Jack hit a cut and Palmer hit a draw and it shows in their preferred doglegs) and where the par 3s and par 5s are as you play.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:26 am to Tiger1242
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Not just them but they are the two most prominent pros turned course architects.
I’m sure the answer varies depending on the guy, but how much input do you think these pros actually have on golf course designs?
They designed their courses. That's why every Nicklaus course favors a fade.
Panther National is a Nicklaus course that JT was only involved in. So the majority of the course when be Nicklaus design with a little input from JT.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:36 am to Tiger1242
In the grand scheme they have little to do with the actual design. They have a team or architects that do the actual work. Nicklaus might visit a site one or twice in the process, Player sometimes never visited the site.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 11:40 am to Tiger1242
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For example Justin Thomas just helped design Panther National. Did he actually have legitimate input on the course or was he as involved in the design as George Foreman was with the grill?
Thomas was asked that question when he played Grant Horvat on youtube. He had nothing to do with it
Posted on 5/6/25 at 12:17 pm to ell_13
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They had a ton of influence. Their styles are pretty easy to spot from the shape of par 4s (Jack hit a cut and Palmer hit a draw and it shows in their preferred doglegs) and where the par 3s and par 5s are as you play.
But that could easily just be the architects designing courses to their style and not them actually designing the holes right?
Posted on 5/6/25 at 1:49 pm to Tiger1242
If they tell a designing partner what they want on each hole, from the shape, to the trees, to the grass types on the greens, the slopes on the greens… how much credit do they get? When someone builds a custom home and asks for specifics, an architect makes it happen to their wants. Think of it that way.
Pinehurst #9 was designed by Jack. It’s the only green with bent. They wanted to change it to match the other courses and Jack told them if they ever did to take his name off of it. So yes, he was pretty involved in many major decisions.
Pinehurst #9 was designed by Jack. It’s the only green with bent. They wanted to change it to match the other courses and Jack told them if they ever did to take his name off of it. So yes, he was pretty involved in many major decisions.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:19 pm to ell_13
Don't care who does it but stop with the 200 yard par 3s
Posted on 5/9/25 at 8:55 pm to Tiger1242
Jack knows every hole at Muirfield as well as he knows the lines on his hand. Doubt he knows much about half the courses he designed, though. He built a lot of courses, and people were paying for the name & label, aka signature golf course and varying levels of involvement. Justin might have had quite a bit of involvement with the design since it's not a business for him yet.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 5/12/25 at 1:35 pm to ell_13
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Pinehurst #9 was designed by Jack. It’s the only green with bent. They wanted to change it to match the other courses and Jack told them if they ever did to take his name off of it. So yes, he was pretty involved in many major decisions
Seems a silly issue to fall on your sword when Tif Eagle and Champions have long outperformed Bent in the South.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 7:48 am to Tiger1242
First pic is Palmer construction team with my cousin, and second is Arnold with my great uncle (stripes) and cousin (far right) during the actual physical construction of The Bluffs in St Francisville. Arnold and his team were constantly on the ground from the start with my cousin for the entire process.
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Posted on 5/13/25 at 3:33 pm to Tigers135
Pics not working. Would love to see them
Posted on 5/13/25 at 5:49 pm to Geauxldilocks
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Seems a silly issue to fall on your sword when Tif Eagle and Champions have long outperformed Bent in the South.
NC is in the transition zone. You can manage bent there, it just takes some doing and labor, which was probably his point.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:51 am to Cleathecat
nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:57 am to deltadummy
JT was just along for the ride and trying to learn a bit about the design process. He had some minor input.
If the design is a Jack Nicklaus Signature Design as opposed to a Nicklaus Design project, then Jack is intimately involved with everything about every hole.
If the design is a Jack Nicklaus Signature Design as opposed to a Nicklaus Design project, then Jack is intimately involved with everything about every hole.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 11:01 am to hehateme2285
Every Nicklaus course does not favor a fade. That may have been the case when he first started in design, but hasn't been that way at least from the mid 80's. I think the same can be said about Palmer's tendencies.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 10:05 pm to QB
I play frequently on a Palmer designed course. Definitely favors a draw, and my natural shot is a fade...
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:03 am to jimjackandjose
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I had a friend that was involved in equipment rental and supplied some when the Bluffs was under construction.
He was up there several times when Arnie was there. I remember him saying that Arnie was telling the people what needed to be done or changed.
He was up there several times when Arnie was there. I remember him saying that Arnie was telling the people what needed to be done or changed.
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