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What would happen if we completely got out of Russia Ukraine conflict?

Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:15 pm
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
5175 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:15 pm
No money, no equipment, no peace talks etc

And yes, I do know that Russia would probably prevail...but what then?

Would Russia just take the areas they've demanded, and leave Ukraine alone?

How would the US be hurt by that
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
24876 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:18 pm to
They would likely stop after taking Ukraine. I doubt they try to advance into Poland because (1) NATO, and yes, we would get involved and Putin knows it and (2) Russia will have too many casualties to pursue any further.
Posted by FLTech
Member since Sep 2017
26541 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:18 pm to
Nothing. Let them two deal with it and may the best country win. Tell them both to frick off
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
24279 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:31 pm to
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What would happen if we completely got out of Russia Ukraine conflict?


Then that would free up a lot more money that we could send to Israel
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
57501 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:35 pm to
Russia conquers the whole country.

Then the genocide begins. Expect the political leadership to be captured and probably executed. Top generals? Executed. Soldiers? Executed. Don't think Putin would not do it.

Expect Putin to forcibly if necessary move ethnic Russians into all of Ukraine as Stalin did the Baltics.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134164 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:44 pm to
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Would Russia just take the areas they've demanded, and leave Ukraine alone?

No. Don't take my word for it. Just listen to what Putin has said about Russia's goals.

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Russian President Vladimir Putin has said peace with Ukraine will only take place "when we achieve our objectives".

Those "objectives do not change", he said, listing "denazification, demilitarisation and its neutral status". These are themes he has highlighted from the start of the war.
LINK

Putin wants Ukraine's sovereignty nullified so that Ukraine becomes a vassal state to Russia.

The "denazification" declaration means Putin intends to remove any and all ethnic Ukrainians who oppose Russia's occupation, just like what happened at the end of WWII.

Ukrainians conducted guerilla warfare against the Soviets well into the 1950's until the final holdouts of Ukrainian resistance to the Soviet occupation were killed in the far west of Ukrainian territory near the city of Lviv. (I've worked in Lviv and have seen the monuments the Ukrainians built to the resistance patriots after the fall of the Soviet Union.)

Russia conducted mass executions of Ukrainians then and will do so again.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
36665 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 2:54 pm to
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Russia would probably prevail...but what then?

Would Russia just take the areas they've demanded, and leave Ukraine alone?

Russia is in the most favorable position to annex the Russia-sympathetic eastern Ukrainian territories. If they advance any further than that, they certainly end up in direct conflict with NATO boots on the ground. Russia has already won, but Ukraine has admirably put up one hell of a fight with Western armaments and support, and the reds would be beaten senseless in a full scale ground war against the West.
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How would the US be hurt by that

In the above scenario? We aren't affected much, if at all. Ukraine has become an international money laundering machine for the globohomo establishment and the more of that country the Russians control, the less the Soros cabal controls. That's a win-win.
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3662 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 3:29 pm to
someday you will all look back and pretend you knew along it was all grifting but you won't say it now
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
22222 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 3:37 pm to
The war would end. The EU can't afford it's own defense without the US paying our fair share to NATO, much less supplying Ukraine with weapons and money. If the EU would start spending thier fair share, the couldn't afford thier massive welfare support for their illegals. The mud people would revolt!

Trump is fricking this up. He should withdraw from NATO and stop funding Ukraines military, government, and government services.
It's totally unacceptable that our tax dollars continue to fund Ukrainian government and basic services. frick that. THAT isn't what I voted for.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
22222 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 3:41 pm to
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We aren't affected much, if at all. Ukraine has become an international money laundering machine for the globohomo establishment and the more of that country the Russians control, the less the Soros cabal controls. That's a win-win.



Agreed. All on OUR tax dollars!!! As we watch that UPS driver dressed dictator continually sabotage Trumps efforts for peace!!
This Ukraine shite has been allowed to go far enough. frick em. frick the EU.

Come on Trump, man up here.
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
Member since Jan 2004
7592 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 4:02 pm to
One thing would be price increase on several metals. Nickle for one, which is used extensively in more grades of industrial piping.than I can name.
The Russians would control and used that to recoup their losses.
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2117 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 5:34 pm to
Realistically? There are good things that would happen and some bad things.

The good things is that it would save us a few dollars on the front end, but the bad is that it would probably cost us a lot more on the back end.

I argue Russia is too far in and too weak to finish the deal; they aren't taking over the Ukraine - they don't have the manpower, resources, leadership, will, etc. So, the Ukrainians will continue to kick the hell out of them for some time, and we hold on to 30-year-old Bradley's with half a dozen combat tours that have no real other practical value for us while we continue to pay for their maintenance, upkeep, housing, etc. costing us taxpayer money. So, we save a few bucks and the bad guys still lose.

The bad part is that the killing goes on even longer, something Trump has repeated over and over that he wants to stop, we pass on what could become a key ally in the long run, the Europeans and NATO allies get pissed at us because we aren't acknowledging an obvious threat, and the partnership, politically, militarily, economically, starts to chafe and that costs us hundreds of billions - potentially trillions - of dollars in the long run. I argue that we're stepping over dollars to get to pennies.

TLDR: Russia loses in the short run, something that was going to happen anyway, and we lose in the long run.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
108213 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 5:36 pm to
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Russia will have too many casualties to pursue any further.


They can use more North Koreans as cannon fodder.
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
7951 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 5:49 pm to
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political leadership captured and executed


Please let this happen to Zelensky!
Posted by Zgeo
Baja Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
3343 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 6:33 pm to
Russia doesn’t want the burden of rebuilding Ukraine. They keep the eastern part and build a wall However if Zelensky keeps attacking Putin will have no choice but to destroy Kiev and Zelensky totally
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
4721 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:04 pm to
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I argue Russia is too far in and too weak to finish the deal; they aren't taking over the Ukraine - they don't have the manpower, resources, leadership, will, etc.


I agree with this. Russia doesn't seem like a threat to take over European territory and I don't think they ever wanted to do that. I don't think they ever intended to launch a ground war into Europe because it was a war that Putin knew he couldn't win and didn't want to fight. More likely he wanted to stop Ukraine from entering NATO and didn't want to lose access to Crimea. Which leads me to this.

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we pass on what could become a key ally in the long run, the Europeans and NATO allies get pissed at us because we aren't acknowledging an obvious threat, and the partnership, politically, militarily, economically, starts to chafe and that costs us hundreds of billions - potentially trillions - of dollars in the long run.


Which key ally? And what obvious threat are we not acknowledging? The threat to the US is fighting and financing a war we can't afford and shouldn't be involved in. Our days of being able to police the world are over. What Europe seems to be doing is dragging the US into a war outside of NATO. If fighting and funding non-NATO wars that are not in the US national security interest is the cost of being in the alliance, our membership deserves introspection.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 8:10 pm
Posted by CastleBravo
Rapid City, SD
Member since Sep 2013
1400 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:09 pm to
It is the right thing to do.

We have no business there.

USAID and Biden provoked that war with their nonsense, and they let it get out of control.

Russia deserves all of Ukraine at this point. Let them have it.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
4254 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:25 pm to
I thought Trump pulled all of Ukraine's funding??
Posted by Reagan80
Earth
Member since Feb 2023
2232 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:31 pm to
Ukraine becomes part of Russia.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
5175 posts
Posted on 4/19/25 at 10:09 pm to
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The bad part is that the killing goes on even longer, something Trump has repeated over and over that he wants to stop,


Not my problem. We all hate death, but we are the USA, and not responsible for the world's conflicts
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 10:32 pm
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