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Are we talking about the UNC "no hitter" yet.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 6:35 pm
UNC pitcher throwing a no hitter
Runner on first and two out
Ball hit to first base side.
Hits the runner.
Runner is third out. Ball game!!!
Rules declare the contact that hit the runner AS A HIT FIRST AND THEN THE RUNNER IS OUT.
Absolutely travesty!!!
Runner on first and two out
Ball hit to first base side.
Hits the runner.
Runner is third out. Ball game!!!
Rules declare the contact that hit the runner AS A HIT FIRST AND THEN THE RUNNER IS OUT.
Absolutely travesty!!!
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 6:40 pm to Rouge
Was the ball gonna get through if not for the runner?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 6:46 pm to Rouge
If it doesn’t hit the runner, the RF is the first player who gets to it. The definition of a hit
What travesty?
What travesty?
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 7:07 pm to RemouladeSawce
I thought that would be treated as a tag out, FC. Didn’t know that would be a hit, but makes sense.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:51 pm to BZ504
That rule should be changed in my opinion.
Not to a fielder's choice because the out itself doesn't really involve a fielder in that way.
It doesn't make sense to rule it a hit if it results in an immediate out. In most cases of this scenario, hitters aren't close to even getting to first base before the out.
Not to a fielder's choice because the out itself doesn't really involve a fielder in that way.
It doesn't make sense to rule it a hit if it results in an immediate out. In most cases of this scenario, hitters aren't close to even getting to first base before the out.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 8:59 pm to Rouge
Maybe review see if ball could had been fielded. Most of the time ball would had made its way to outfield.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:38 pm to Rouge
What are you talking about? I just checked the box score and UNCs starter gave up 4 hits?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:48 pm to catfish 62
I don't know wtf the OP is talking about like this just happened.
UNC did throw a no hitter (even gave up a run) a few days ago. It was a 7 inning one.
The game the OP is talking about happened on March 23. Maybe it is just making the rounds on tik tok or something,
This is what the OP is referencing
LINK
UNC did throw a no hitter (even gave up a run) a few days ago. It was a 7 inning one.
The game the OP is talking about happened on March 23. Maybe it is just making the rounds on tik tok or something,
This is what the OP is referencing
LINK
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:53 pm to Rouge
quote:yep that’s how it’s scored
Rules declare the contact that hit the runner AS A HIT FIRST AND THEN THE RUNNER IS OUT. Absolutely travesty!!!
Posted on 4/3/25 at 9:55 pm to tylercsbn9
Yeah that OP was a little confusing. UNC did just get out of a major jam ftw vs Duke.
Wild shift DP. nobody tell Todd Walker
Wild shift DP. nobody tell Todd Walker
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:01 pm to LSUBALLER
I think there's a good case to make it a judgment call for umpires as to whether or not the runner intentionally makes contact with the ball. I'm sure that's the reason for the current rule resulting in an out. Then, if it's ruled as unintentional contact, it stays a live ball. If it's ruled intentional, then it's an out.
With the current rule, though, it just doesn't make sense to rule it a hit.
With the current rule, though, it just doesn't make sense to rule it a hit.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:14 pm to inadaze
Under the official baseball scoring rules it’s a hit with an out.
Adding a judgement call yeah right.
Adding a judgement call yeah right.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:26 pm to choupiquesushi
Obviously. That has been established multiple times in the thread.
The point on that is it doesn't make sense.
It doesn't fit the definition of a "hit" with the current parameters. Not even close.
The point on that is it doesn't make sense.
It doesn't fit the definition of a "hit" with the current parameters. Not even close.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:41 pm to RemouladeSawce
quote:
f it doesn’t hit the runner, the RF is the first player who gets to it.
Correct
I'll never understand the value in pretending something isn't what It really is so that you can pretend to be outraged.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 10:52 pm to inadaze
quote:A hard hit ball destined for the outfield with no possible defensive play to prevent the runner from reaching first is the definition of a hit. Not sure what you’re confused about
It doesn't fit the definition of a "hit" with the current parameters. Not even close.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 11:33 pm to RemouladeSawce
quote:
destined for the outfield
No, not in these types of scenarios.
That "destiny" only relates to a "hypothetical world". You need to review the definition of the word destiny too.
The hitter does not reach first base, which is the baseline qualifier for a hit. And in these scenarios, hitters usually don't even come within close proximity of first base before the out.
There are other scenarios in which hitters actually reach base safely that aren't counted as hits. This scenario doesn't even meet that minimal requirement for a hit.
(I'm not saying these plays should never be hits in theory. Judgment calls determine HBPs. They'd work for these types of plays too. But with the current rules, a contact play that is not a hit by definition should not be scored a hit.)
Posted on 4/4/25 at 12:04 am to inadaze
quote:NCAA
The hitter does not reach first base, which is the baseline qualifier for a hit.
quote:MLB
SECTION 10-4. A base hit is credited when a batter advances to first base safely:
b. Because a runner is declared out for being hit by a batted ball as in 8-5-k or the umpire is hit by a batted ball as in 8-3-c
quote:The “qualifiers” you’re coming up with in your head are unfortunately not relevant. The rules are
Rule 10.05:[1] (a) The official scorer shall credit a batter with a base hit when:
(5) a fair ball that has not been touched by a fielder touches a runner or an umpire, unless a runner is called out for having been touched by an Infield Fly, in which case the official scorer shall not score a hit
And you’re right - “destiny” doesn’t matter. Per both sets of rules it’s a fricking hit regardless of where the ball is going
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 12:06 am
Posted on 4/4/25 at 12:04 am to inadaze
Double
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 12:05 am
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:32 am to RemouladeSawce
quote:
Double
In effect, much more than a double.
The rule had been established more than 7 times in the thread before your last double dose of redundancy. (There's not a debate about the rule.)
At that level of redundancy, instead of marking the second as a double, you could've upped the redundancy more by posting the date and time of the redundant double, then adding that it is what it is, and that you said what you said, and that if you know, you know. You know?
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