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2 questions about new-fangled baseball play
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:24 pm
I came through my whole life watching baseball, but 2 things have suddenly changed and I’m wondering…
Why now, what gives?
1) “the shift” defense
2) best home run hitters not batting 4th, “cleanup”
Why now, what gives?
1) “the shift” defense
2) best home run hitters not batting 4th, “cleanup”
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Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:27 pm to Skippy1013
1)been a thing for 4-5 years now. So bad that the majors have tried to limit it numerous ways
2)best homerun hitters have been hitting in the 2 and/or 3 for almost a decade. The higher in the order, the better chance of getting 1 extra AB per game...which can turn into 30 extra ABs per season
2)best homerun hitters have been hitting in the 2 and/or 3 for almost a decade. The higher in the order, the better chance of getting 1 extra AB per game...which can turn into 30 extra ABs per season
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:29 pm to Skippy1013
insane amounts of data really
so if you know a guy hits 90% of his ground balls to the left, but another fielder there.
as to not having you’re best HR threat at cleanup, it’s mostly about getting your best hitters more AB. so you put them farther up on the order
so if you know a guy hits 90% of his ground balls to the left, but another fielder there.
as to not having you’re best HR threat at cleanup, it’s mostly about getting your best hitters more AB. so you put them farther up on the order
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:29 pm to Skippy1013
Computers and video technology improved baseball knowledge of the best strategies. Teams realize now that it’s best to give more ABs to the best hitters and how the data to predict where balls are most likely to be hit.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:30 pm to lsurulz1515
Thanks for that information, but why did it take 100 years of baseball to figure this out, especially part about your cleanup guy getting extra at bats?
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:32 pm to Skippy1013
Started hiring nerds in the front office for analytics and stuff ..
No more old school scouts with cigars watching minor league games
No more old school scouts with cigars watching minor league games
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:39 pm to Skippy1013
wait until you find out they wear pink spikes and undershirts.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:40 pm to Skippy1013
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I came through my whole life watching baseball, but 2 things have suddenly changed and I’m wondering… Why now, what gives? 1) “the shift” defense
Ted Williams was routinely shifted on by defenses, read a book.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:41 pm to Skippy1013
You’re only the cleanup hitter the first time through the lineup. The key is to get your best hitters the most AB’s and having them at the top of the lineup does that.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:41 pm to Skippy1013
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Thanks for that information, but why did it take 100 years of baseball to figure this out, especially part about your cleanup guy getting extra at bats?
Same reason you’re asking about it, I guess.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:41 pm to Skippy1013
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Skippy1013
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:42 pm to lsurulz1515
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The higher in the order, the better chance of getting 1 extra AB per game...which can turn into 30 extra ABs per season
Why wouldn’t the lineup go best hitter to worst hitter then?
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:43 pm to Skippy1013
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Thanks for that information, but why did it take 100 years of baseball to figure this out, especially part about your cleanup guy getting extra at bats?
More hitters than ever are pulling the ball, so more teams are shifting
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:44 pm to TackySweater
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Why wouldn’t the lineup go best hitter to worst hitter then?
Contrary to popular belief, the order of your lineup doesn’t actually matter all that much over the course of a season.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:47 pm to barry
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ntrary to popular belief, the order of your lineup doesn’t actually matter all that much over the course of a seaso
So what’s the point in making what appears to be a strategic decision on it?
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:48 pm to TackySweater
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Why wouldn’t the lineup go best hitter to worst hitter then?
I mean aside from the fact that those power hitters may have runners on base for them 1-4 times per game?
Is it really that hard to grasp?
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:52 pm to lsurulz1515
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mean aside from the fact that those power hitters may have runners on base for them 1-4 times per game? Is it really that hard to grasp?
You said it was about getting extra at bats. Why wouldn’t you want the most at bats for you best power/home run hitter?
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:52 pm to Skippy1013
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your cleanup guy
Typically, they may only bat cleanup once a game.
Posted on 3/28/25 at 9:59 pm to TackySweater
I mean i just answered that...having potential runners on for said at bats. You can't be that dense, right?
Multiple decisions can't be in play at one time?
Some of you can't juggle making a decision with multiple potential outcomes?
Multiple decisions can't be in play at one time?
Some of you can't juggle making a decision with multiple potential outcomes?
Posted on 3/28/25 at 10:05 pm to TackySweater
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Why wouldn’t the lineup go best hitter to worst hitter then?
A lot of coaches like to alternate L/R to make it harder to bring in RPs for extended favorable matchups
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