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Key Safety Feature Disabled On Blackhawk?

Posted on 2/6/25 at 8:12 pm
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Black Hawk's tracking tech was turned off when it crashed into plane: Vital tracking technology inside an Army Black Hawk helicopter was turned off for 'no compelling reason' when it collided with a passenger plane over Washington DC last week.



Vital tracking technology inside an Army Black Hawk helicopter was turned off for 'no compelling reason' when it collided with a passenger plane over Washington DC last week.

The Black Hawk was performing a routine training mission in an effort to renew 28-year-old Captain Rebecca M. Lobach's annual certification when it crashed into American Airlines Flight 5342 as it was making its final descent at Reagan National Airport just before 9pm on January 29.

When the chopper went down, the Black Hawk's Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast was disabled - a system which shares an aircraft's position, altitude and speed, Sen. Ted Cruz told the New York Times on Thursday.

The technology also includes a display that shows pilots the location of other aircrafts both in the sky or on a runway, and allows air traffic controllers to not just rely on radar tracking - which could have a delay of a few seconds, according to USA Today.

Military helicopters can turn off the ADS-B during 'continuity of government' missions so that nobody can track where government officials are being flown.





Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 8:14 pm to
Posted by DefCon1
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 8:18 pm to
Not the smartest move if true. It wasn't a real "continuity of mission" it was just a training mission.
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 8:19 pm to
Blackhawk was a way underrated 90s country band
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 8:25 pm to
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Blackhawk was a way underrated 90s country band


They were good. Yet not as kick-@ss as the Hawks:

Posted by eitek1
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 8:26 pm to
After seeing the videos, I just can’t imagine how the pilot didn’t see the landing lights on that aircraft. Those things are incredibly bright from miles away.

This is looking more and more intentional.
Posted by SpartanSoul
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 8:26 pm to
This was known and posted in the crash thread the night the crash happened. I saw it as a WTF thing, but it never seemed to get any traction.
Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 8:51 pm to
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The Black Hawk was performing a routine training mission in an effort to renew 28-year-old Captain Rebecca M. Lobach's annual certification


If this is true, it pisses me off. She didn’t belong at the controls of a helicopter.
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 8:58 pm to
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If this is true, it pisses me off. She didn’t belong at the controls of a helicopter.

What? That's how flying works, annual quals, etc.
Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:07 pm to
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What? That's how flying works, annual quals, etc.


So we’re going to conduct said training mission in a way that takes the copter across the landing approach at one of the busiest airports in the country? That’s freaking BS.
Posted by phil good
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:11 pm to
Especially under NVG. Lights are even brighter
Posted by JAXTiger16
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:14 pm to
ADS-B is turned off on almost all (and ALL missions) military training flights these days so we can’t be tracked via flight aware and other tracking sites. This would have done nothing to help the airliner or helo in this scenario
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:14 pm to
That's a different point. You said she didn't belong at the controls of a helicopter.
Posted by JAXTiger16
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:15 pm to
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Posted by JAXTiger16
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:17 pm to
quote:

If this is true, it pisses me off. She didn’t belong at the controls of a helicopter.


What part pisses you off? Every aviator gets an annual “check ride” to renew their qual. You’re expected to sit the seat for that flight.
Posted by Laugh More
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:17 pm to
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:20 pm to
Simplest answer - they confused plane ATC was talking about, which was below them and to their right, for the inbound flight coming in from above and to their left? If their heads are turned away from the incoming flight, the lights won't register until right before impact?

Posted by Slevin7
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:21 pm to
They didn’t release her name until they scrubbed her from the internet.

She’s the only one.

What happened is they shite they bed on this and didn’t catch a bunch of red flags bc she was considered normal by woke ideology.

Family signed off on it so their “little girl” didn’t live in fricking infamy and the military did it bc the brass doesn’t want that on its resume.

If my daughter was a Blackhawk pilot in DC and a Blackhawk hit a civilian plane I’d probably pick up the phone. They fricking knew.
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:22 pm to
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If this is true, it pisses me off. She didn’t belong at the controls of a helicopter.


She was flying with an IP, instructor pilot, if it was a training mission.
"I've got the controls" is a phrase I have heard many times, while being in the back.

Unless the IP also wanted to die, this was an accident.
Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 2/6/25 at 9:24 pm to
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What part pisses you off?


I guess what irks me is that they felt the need to do this is a way that puts a lot of civilian lives at risk. I still can’t get my arms around the fact that the Army thinks it’s fine to fly training missions with inexperienced pilots across the landing approach path at one of the busiest airports in the country.
This post was edited on 2/6/25 at 9:28 pm
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