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Getting Your Money Out Of Real Estate As Retirement Nears

Posted on 2/5/25 at 7:20 am
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 7:20 am
The wife (no pics) and I debate this topic all the time. I submit this is one of the most complex financial questions one faces as retirement nears. And one frankly I don't see any great answers to.

For grins, let's say the context is your home has had significant appreciation over the course of ownership. Maybe you own some rental property. Maybe you're tired of the constant upkeep and want to downsize. But now you want to do things like travel. Or maybe there's a big capital call like you need a new car, a new roof. Whatever it may be. But you want to get that money just sitting there. It's yours. To use while you still can. The kids will get theirs anyway when you're dead and gone.

So you go through the decision tree:

Why not just sell the rental property? Maybe it produces enough net monthly income. But you need to keep adequate reserves for contingencies such as a new roof, plumbing issues. It always happens. You can't just live off the profits. But, if you sell, you owe capital gains tax on the profit. You may have to pay depreciation recapture tax when you sell. Takes such a big bite out of it you say Nah.

Well sell your home and downsize. Like to where? Basis is so low there's nothing in the area as nice (and we ain't movin' from it, church, friends, family all here etc.), so there's nothing better. So you won't sell. You'll live in it until you can't.

So, you could look at some alternatives such as using things like a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) or a Reverse Morgage to pay for things and protect the equity, but the rates are near prohibitive these days and then that increases monthly outflows. (We actually have some retired friends that we discussed this with for a porch redo and roof repair. They have a lot more money on paper than us, but same issue. Drawing it down. Fear of not having enough. So, after much debate, they used a HELOC to fund these improvements and are just paying it off. They'd rather have these things while they're alive and know their kids will get much when they're gone).

I tell ya, there's not a great answer to this question that I can see, one many of us will be facing in the coming years. A worthy debate topic. What do you think?

Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 7:48 am to
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What do you think?



It is true, to a degree, that equity in your primary home is relatively frozen without a debt vehicle to extract it. I think it is that way on purpose. You're rich, but your home equity can't buy a Happy Meal (tm).

Of course, you can always sell and downsize.

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Basis is so low there's nothing in the area as nice (and we ain't movin' from it, church, friends, family all here etc.), so there's nothing better. So you won't sell. You'll live in it until you can't.


So, you've identified a common problem - folks do not budget properly, particularly for maintenance. Buy that big, fancy house when you're 40? You're going to have to put 3 to 4 roofs on it before you die and replace the A/C several times. That's just the big ticket stuff off the top of my head. There is something you could be doing every season - windows, insulation, gutters, pressure washing, landscaping, irrigation, drainage - the list never ends.

And that's not really upgrades (maybe insulation and drainage can be mild upgrades). That's not expanding an outdoor kitchen, converting a bedroom to media, outbuildings, etc.

And if you have a pool, that's like having another, smaller, wetter, but expensive for its size house next to the real house.

So, folks budget for their P&I + escrow payment and that's it. Maintenance is this hurricane-esque crisis that comes around every few months like an act of G-d.

#Facts
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted by BestBanker
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 7:54 am to


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Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
8689 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:23 am to
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So, you've identified a common problem - folks do not budget properly, particularly for maintenance. Buy that big, fancy house when you're 40? You're going to have to put 3 to 4 roofs on it before you die and replace the A/C several times. That's just the big ticket stuff off the top of my head. There is something you could be doing every season - windows, insulation, gutters, pressure washing, landscaping, irrigation, drainage - the list never ends.


Bingo.

Now, we have in our case over the years. But that was supposed to be for fun stuff! Did I tell ya about the new roof the wife now wants? (WE HAVE TO....)

Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:44 am to
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Why not just sell the rental property?


Many people will make their lives harder just to not pay taxes. I've never understood it.
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
8689 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:17 am to
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Many people will make their lives harder just to not pay taxes. I've never understood it.


Don't disagree. To an extent (but who wants to give the gubberment your money! Ok, maybe our fair share, but that's another topic! )

In our case, we've owned a number of rental units over the years, have sold them and made some nice profits. And yes, we had to pay capital gains tax and recapture depreciation. Still netted good returns. And we put that money into our Fidelity Account, invested via DCA into certain ETFs and that's where it is. Had to buy a car, was used, and paid cash. Loaned a kid some money for a down payment as he got married. Yada yada.

Currently, we have 2 units left. Make net ~$3k/month, but there's ALWAYS something like recently the connection of the sewer pipe (was copper and degraded) to the main, roofs etc. You can't spend whatever profits you have because of things like that, so you reserve for them. Just sitting there. The play is appreciation over time, and it's been good here as elsewhere.

If you're sitting on a couple hundred grand in equity, you want it eventually. And you don't want all those years of hard working going to taxes, and yeah, you'd still net out a nice chunk ok, but it's your money! And if it's cash flowing nicely right now..

You get the argument with the wife.

Posted by Nole Man
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Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:17 am to
BTW..thanks for engaging and starting the conversation. It's a timely topic I think for those nearing retirement or those that think about such things!
This post was edited on 2/5/25 at 9:19 am
Posted by DarthRebel
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 10:20 am to
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I tell ya, there's not a great answer to this question that I can see, one many of us will be facing in the coming years. A worthy debate topic. What do you think?


Don't be greedy and take what money you can and simplify your life in retirement.

The average house price in the USA is $419,000 now, go back in time 10 years and the average house price was $207,000

If you bought a $207,000 home back in 2014, with a 4.5% rate over 30 years and the home did not appreciate at all, you now own $42,300 of it. If it followed the national average over the past 10 years, you own $250,300 of house. You owe $164,700 on mortgage.

The house is now worth $436,000 and you are cashing out (numbers rounded)-
Gross Profit - $250,000
Depreciation Recapture - $20,000
Capital Gains (15% and 20%) - $34,000 or $46,000

Net Profit - $196,000 or $184,000

Taxes and death are two items you can look forward to, so do not over think it. You are looking at a 26% tax burden, how much extra work and complication do you want to add to avoid that.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 11:34 am to
Sure, if you have no other assets to access for cash. But I'd be tempted to try to avoid LTCG and depreciation recapture by passing it to heirs w stepped up basis. Better than leaving them a traditional IRA/401k we 10 yrs to draw down likely in their peak earning/ highest rax rate years.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 11:51 am to
My real-estate is part of my retirement portfolio along with the normal ROTHs stocks etf's and so on. I have 12 houses that I will aggressively pay down and once paid off I will pay a company to manage them 100% and just collect the mailbox money. When me and the wife pass then it will go to my daughter for her to enjoy. As for the equity in my house its at a level that I know in the back of my head if something drastic changes in my life I can sell the house and buy something else outright to decrease the monthly note burden OR pay off the balance on the rent houses to free up that income. If I really need I can get a HELOC to access that stagnate cash if the need arrases. I don't know if that's the best route but its the one I'm on.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Sure, if you have no other assets to access for cash.


This was being specific to not wanting to continue the upkeep of a property.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5769 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 12:42 pm to
I am selling three properties this year. I will be owner financing two of them.

Reason being I want to defer paying a huge chunk of capital gains.

When I finance these it will be with a 5 year balloon note at 8.25-8.5%
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
8689 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

I am selling three properties this year. I will be owner financing two of them.

Reason being I want to defer paying a huge chunk of capital gains.

When I finance these it will be with a 5 year balloon note at 8.25-8.5%


Curious how that works? You don't deed the property over to them until after the 5 years, then what? They have to come up with finances to complete the transaction?
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5769 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 1:50 pm to
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You don't deed the property over to them until after the 5 years, then what? They have to come up with finances to complete the transaction?


The borrower has to complete the transaction(pay off the loan or refinance) before the end of the 5 years.

Posted by whodatigahbait
Uptown
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/5/25 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

Reason being I want to defer paying a huge chunk of capital gains.



Why don't you do a 1031 instead of the seller finance?
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
8689 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

The borrower has to complete the transaction(pay off the loan or refinance) before the end of the 5 years.


Ok, thanks. Do they put anything down? Are they paying interest only each month, and the balloon is the total purchase price, or are you amortizing Interest and Principal and they're paying on that monthly?
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5769 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

Ok, thanks. Do they put anything down? Are they paying interest only each month, and the balloon is the total purchase price, or are you amortizing Interest and Principal and they're paying on that monthly?


The deal I just floated to my renter last week.

$275,000 price. 10% down. 5 year balloon at 8.25%. Amortized.

I will get payments of around $1800 month.

Instead of paying capital gain in a large lump sum, I will pay them in installments.

So in the first year the $1800 monthly payment , around $300 month would go towards principal and $1500 towards interest.

Just ball parking figures here. First year I would owe capital gains on the $3600 in principal and the interest of $18000 I receive would be taxed as ordinary income.

I want to get out of the property. No more maintenance. No more up keep. No more buying insurance. No more property taxes. No more being a landlord. Etc. I just want to be the bank and get 8.25% on my money.

I haven't done this yet. Just what I am looking at doing.


Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5769 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

Why don't you do a 1031 instead of the seller finance?


A 1031 was my first option. There is nothing I want to buy right now. Nothing.
Posted by s0tiger
Member since May 2008
1014 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 2:55 pm to
Curious do you have a penalty for early pay-off?

I ask because my parents did an owner financed sale when they retired and the buyer turned around and paid it all off a year into it.

They did fine financially, but would have been much better to go the traditional route in hind sight.
Posted by natsoundup1
Member since Jul 2024
49 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 3:18 pm to
That’s what I did 3 years ago. Ate the capital gains tax…and now have a decent retirement with less hassle
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