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Optimal recovery for an absolutely brutal calf massage?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 1/22/25 at 2:16 pm
So I have begun steel rolling my calves (I take a steel pipe and roll the calves, sometimes placing one leg over the other to maximize pressure). I do this for one hour on each calf muscle. I do this once a month, I call it the “calf reset” massage.
Would optimal recovery be drinking a half-gallon of water, eating protein-rich meal with dark greens and the. laying down/avoiding standing walking for a while?
Would optimal recovery be drinking a half-gallon of water, eating protein-rich meal with dark greens and the. laying down/avoiding standing walking for a while?
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Posted on 1/22/25 at 3:10 pm to The Silverback
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Would optimal recovery
Optimal recovery would be to not do this for no reason
Posted on 1/22/25 at 3:11 pm to The Silverback
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Posted on 1/22/25 at 3:17 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Increased blood flow, increased mobility of calf muscles, and so on
Posted on 1/22/25 at 3:28 pm to The Silverback
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Increased blood flow, increased mobility of calf muscles, and so on
Can be had without beating the shite out of your calves for an hour each.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 3:39 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Agreed. Deep tissue massage in general is probably a pretty bad idea for your nervous system.
Optimal recovery would be to not do this for no reason
Posted on 1/22/25 at 3:52 pm to Big Scrub TX
How is that?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 3:54 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Right, even though the pain is extraordinary the relief after about 4 days of bad soreness is amazing.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 4:05 pm to The Silverback
quote:Massage in general is a band aid that ignores underlying causes. Deep tissue in particular can damage/confuse the nervous system, causing continued dysfunction and allowing compensation to continue (thus, putting undue load/pressure/etc. on non-muscle tissues, leading to injuries and joint pain).
How is that?
Swedish massage is OK.
I recommend Muscle Activation Techniques above all else.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 4:15 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I recommend Muscle Activation Techniques above all else.
Highly recommend Movement Vault app for this.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 4:40 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:This is not at all what I'm referring to. And looking at the website, it's in fact somewhat the opposite.
Highly recommend Movement Vault app for this.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 5:28 pm to The Silverback
I mean how much are your calves hindering your day to day life that this is needed? Are they seizing up or something?
Posted on 1/22/25 at 6:48 pm to The Silverback
This is insane. One hour on each calf? There is no need or benefit from that no matter what you feel after. If your calf is getting ghat tight you need to check out your hips- tightness, stability, etc.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:40 pm to The Silverback
There is nothing wrong with Myofascial Release and deep tissue massage. Rolling your calves on a steel tube for an hour each I would refrain from, but doing it for 5-10 minutes can help.
If you are looking for increased ankle/knee mobility than I suggest you start doing some stretching. Static and dynamic stretching of the gastrocnemius/soleus and the hamstrings. Follow that up with strength training in that new range of motion.
Don't worry about "damaging your nervous system". If you do anything that puts your nervous system in jeopardy, your body will tell you, and you will know (think about hitting your funny bone).
If you are looking for increased ankle/knee mobility than I suggest you start doing some stretching. Static and dynamic stretching of the gastrocnemius/soleus and the hamstrings. Follow that up with strength training in that new range of motion.
Don't worry about "damaging your nervous system". If you do anything that puts your nervous system in jeopardy, your body will tell you, and you will know (think about hitting your funny bone).
Posted on 1/22/25 at 8:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Massage in general is a band aid that ignores underlying causes.
Dude. Superficial massages in the hands of someone that doesn't know what they are doing, yes, I agree with you. But saying that is foolish, and wrong. Massage is the oldest form of healing known to man.
And to say it's a band aid (maybe true with garbage massage) but this dude is doing deep tissue myofascial release. Definitely will help if he is having ankle or knee mobility issues. The only thing, and you should have keyed on this, is doing it for an hour per calf.
There's nothing wrong with MAT. Roskopf has a good solid program. But it isn't the end all be all of treating someone.
Posted on 1/22/25 at 11:52 pm to PrezCock
quote:Respectfully disagree. Why did the myofascial tissue need to be released in the first place? What's getting it there?
And to say it's a band aid (maybe true with garbage massage) but this dude is doing deep tissue myofascial release. Definitely will help if he is having ankle or knee mobility issues. The only thing, and you should have keyed on this, is doing it for an hour per calf.
There's nothing wrong with MAT. Roskopf has a good solid program. But it isn't the end all be all of treating someone.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 5:02 am to Big Scrub TX
OP’s routine sounds insane and non-productive, but almost every large cycling team (and many other sports as well) travels with “physio” who does a lot of massage along with other techniques to help with recovery. To completely dismiss efficacy of massage seems a little overboard.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 5:06 am to Big Scrub TX
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Respectfully disagree. Why did the myofascial tissue need to be released in the first place? What's getting it there?
I agree with you that there is some underlying dysfunction. Myofascial release shouldn't be his only form of treatment. He needs exercises to train those dysfunctional muscle groups. But myofascial release will help lengthen muscle tissue and it's a good first step in the "Lengthen before you Strengthen" mantra.
Saying it's a "Band Aid" is a bit disingenuous. We could go into things like Transverse Friction Massage, which speeds up healing, allows better fiber alignment, and decreases pain.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 10:35 am to hogfly
quote:Well, it's so-called "deep tissue massage" that I am not constructive on. Swedish and the like is fine.
To completely dismiss efficacy of massage seems a little overboard.
Posted on 1/23/25 at 10:38 am to PrezCock
quote:Perhaps a philosophical discussion, but I don't really agree that muscles can be "lengthened" - at least not in a meaningful way that actually respects the individual's physiology.
He needs exercises to train those dysfunctional muscle groups. But myofascial release will help lengthen muscle tissue and it's a good first step in the "Lengthen before you Strengthen" mantra.
quote:I guess what I'm saying is we know if the underlying dysfunction isn't addressed, all it's going to be is palliative. I feel the same way about dry needling these days. Yes, it can give relief. But it is not actually healing dysfunction.
Saying it's a "Band Aid" is a bit disingenuous. We could go into things like Transverse Friction Massage, which speeds up healing, allows better fiber alignment, and decreases pain.
I also stopped using the Theragun.
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